Originally Posted by Lord Vader

How many of you, especially "recent immigrants", can really and truly say you give a shit about Canada and the people living in it? I see very little evidence of it aside from a few individuals. All I seem to read is how the people born here are of a lessor quality and a sort of "sub species" of humanity. Would a bomb going off in the subway in Toronto really feel the same as the bombs in London? Do you really care about the place and the people? Be honest. Isn't it more or less "this is what I did before so I would like to continue doing it now",,, as if changing retail jobs or something? Don't you think there should be more than a "meh" attitude towards the country when aspiring to work in a security role for said country?

I am not trying to pick a fight with anyone and this is not directed at any individual in particular, but I can certainly understand why people born here would be given the edge over someone who was not born here or who became a citizen after staying here 3 years and getting their "papers" saying they are a now Canadian. Bit more to it than that I'm afraid.

Show me that you care and that you want to play on the team for the teams success and not just your own. Every ex pat from every country living here and their lowly cradle Canadian children deserve your respect before you deserve theirs.

Originally Posted by The Aviator

Well not speaking for others of course, but I am an expat and Canadian citizen and consider myself as Canadian as I can get. Yes, I do care about my country. There are 'sub species' everywhere, from what I hear, Britain has more than its fair share.

If immigrants come here and think it is so much better somewhere else, why come here?

Originally Posted by Lamin

I am still looking at my options for a second career and CBSA (Canada Border Services Agency) has been suggested to me. In my line of work I have met a couple and had a quick chat. They all seem very positive has any expats out there joined them or had dealings with them they would like to share?

Thanks in advance.

Originally Posted by Lord Vader

I realize that the longer someone lives in a particular place the more likely they are to feel "part" of the place and the people, that is only natural. The point I was making was that I understand the reason why it is difficult for a new comer to get access to certain lines of work involving the federal government, especially security related jobs.

Originally Posted by wheatsheaf

"New Canadians" (even with 2 decades in Canada) with experience have more to offer than Canadians are willing to admit. In the 1950s to 70s Canadians in a position to recruit and hire were willing to acknowledge and accept this fact. Today, Canadians in general look at "New Canadians" as potential competition primarily, and as assets only when there is no choice. As for security concerns: it takes knowledge and good judgement to know who your friends are. It's getting more obvious each day that both are lacking severely in modern recruitment.

Originally Posted by wheatsheaf

"New Canadians" (even with 2 decades in Canada) with experience have more to offer than Canadians are willing to admit. In the 1950s to 70s Canadians in a position to recruit and hire were willing to acknowledge and accept this fact. Today, Canadians in general look at "New Canadians" as potential competition primarily, and as assets only when there is no choice. As for security concerns: it takes knowledge and good judgement to know who your friends are. It's getting more obvious each day that both are lacking severely in modern recruitment.

Originally Posted by The Aviator

We hire purely on ability to do the job and have as many failures with immigrants as Canadians. I never came across this 'Canadian' only hiring practice. Quite to the contrary, when I was looking for work, my overseas experience was a distinct asset.

Originally Posted by Lord Vader

How many of you, especially "recent immigrants", can really and truly say you give a shit about Canada and the people living in it? I see very little evidence of it aside from a few individuals. All I seem to read is how the people born here are of a lessor quality and a sort of "sub species" of humanity. Would a bomb going off in the subway in Toronto really feel the same as the bombs in London? Do you really care about the place and the people? Be honest. Isn't it more or less "this is what I did before so I would like to continue doing it now",,, as if changing retail jobs or something? Don't you think there should be more than a "meh" attitude towards the country when aspiring to work in a security role for said country?

I am not trying to pick a fight with anyone and this is not directed at any individual in particular, but I can certainly understand why people born here would be given the edge over someone who was not born here or who became a citizen after staying here 3 years and getting their "papers" saying they are a now Canadian. Bit more to it than that I'm afraid.

Show me that you care and that you want to play on the team for the teams success and not just your own. Every ex pat from every country living here and their lowly cradle Canadian children deserve your respect before you deserve theirs.

Originally Posted by wheatsheaf

"New Canadians" (even with 2 decades in Canada) with experience have more to offer than Canadians are willing to admit. In the 1950s to 70s Canadians in a position to recruit and hire were willing to acknowledge and accept this fact. Today, Canadians in general look at "New Canadians" as potential competition primarily, and as assets only when there is no choice. As for security concerns: it takes knowledge and good judgment to know who your friends are. It's getting more obvious each day that both are lacking severely in modern recruitment.

Originally Posted by Alan2005

I can't say I particularly give a shit about Canada or Canadians. I'm not going to think more or less about anyone because of some arbitrary accident of birth - in fact I find the whole concept of where you were born affecting what you can and can't do and where you can and can't go abhorrent.

Originally Posted by Lord Vader

I am not following your post. People who have spent 2 decades in Canada are not "New Canadians" The point I was making was more about ones attitude to the people they are being paid to protect. You comment about good judgment and knowledge to know who your friends are is my point I am making.

Originally Posted by Lord Vader

The swish sound you head was my point flying over your head.

Originally Posted by Alan2005

It didn't. I just ignored it and made my own ranty point instead.

Originally Posted by Lord Vader

I am not following your post. People who have spent 2 decades in Canada are not "New Canadians" The point I was making was more about ones attitude to the people they are being paid to protect. Your comment about good judgment and knowledge to know who your friends are is the point I am making.