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Re: Cats in plane cabin
OP, whatever people say here, don't assume someone with a dangerous cat allergy is on the flight. If someone has a dangerous allergy, they should tell the airline and the airline will ensure the allergen is not on the flight. Like when you can't have peanuts occasionally. It's not your concern.
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Re: Cats in plane cabin
Originally Posted by Jsmth321
(Post 12469318)
Where a pet goes in the hold can vary by aircraft and airline.
On some of the airctaft and airlines we handle animals go foward and in some animals go aft and some aircraft airlines wont accept animals at all in the hold. Example one airline we handle they wont accept hold aninals on 767 aircraft of any series. One airline we handle in 737-800 animals go foward hold and on same aircraft with another airline animals go aft. No guarantee animals will be in the forward hold regardless though pilotd have no access inflight so doesnt matter which hold an airline uses. The hold is heated and pressurized however the air circulation is poor which people need to keep in mind. |
Re: Cats in plane cabin
Originally Posted by BEVS
(Post 12469408)
I had to read this a few times before I understood it.
No. We are not always covered in cat hair. Why would we be. It isn't the hair that causes the grief. It is the dander. And if I have visible cat hair on my clothes then I also have invisible cat dander and you as a cat owner can't guarantee you don't!
Originally Posted by BEVS
(Post 12469408)
People put their pets in a passenger cabin with them, for them. Not for the pet.
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Re: Cats in plane cabin
Originally Posted by weves
(Post 12469448)
OP, whatever people say here, don't assume someone with a dangerous cat allergy is on the flight. If someone has a dangerous allergy, they should tell the airline and the airline will ensure the allergen is not on the flight. Like when you can't have peanuts occasionally. It's not your concern.
You just worry about emigrating and saving your cash for that. I have a severe allergy to some cats, not life threatening, usually not enough to mention to people. I have owned and lived with cats. But if I encounter one of the 50% of the cat population to which I am allergic, my nose runs, I sneeze, non-stop, in spite of antihistamines. My eyes run, swell up and eventually close so I cannot see. My skin goes berserk, itching, swelling up, reddening. And if I don't remove myself from the vicinity of said cat pretty fast then my breathing starts to suffer and eventually I have an asthma attack. After 8 hours of it I would probably be dead. Now I appreciate that all this is my problem, and to be quite honest if I had an asthma attack on a flight and died because of it, I wouldn't really care as I don't have much quality of life these days, but it would be pretty awful for the cat owner to have to watch it. If I ever have the misfortune to have to fly across the Atlantic, I shall be asking the question before I book, and if the airline carries pets in the cabin I shall fly with someone else. However, not everyone is aware that some airlines allow pets in the cabin, and it would not occur to the majority of people to even ask the question. Whenever this topic comes up I find myself thinking that the airline really needs to take responsibility for ensuring the safety of the other passengers, as well as that of the cat. |
Re: Cats in plane cabin
Originally Posted by TheNorms
(Post 12469465)
Thank you for sharing this. Now I can see why most airlines won’t fly snub nose breeds., it’s just so risky with poor air circulation. Our Frenchie is definitely going with us in the cabin now.We would never forgive ourselves if anything happened to her expesially as she is small enough for the cabin.
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Re: Cats in plane cabin
Originally Posted by Jerseygirl
(Post 12469501)
Are you sure you can fly out of the UK with a dog in the cabin? Unless it’s a service animal I thought dogs were not allowed to travel in the cabin. I am aware this applies to flights into the UK...but it also applied to flights out of the UK too...maybe the rules have changed. :confused: Always thought it was odd that cats were allowed but not small dogs.
Air Canada —— United Kingdom Flights to or via the U.K.: Due to quarantine laws, pets are not accepted in the cabin or as checked baggage. They may, however, travel as cargo, and all bookings must be made through Air Canada CargoOpens in New Window. Air Canada was the first North American carrier to participate in the United Kingdom's Pet Travel Scheme (PETS)Opens in New WindowExternal site which may not meet accessibility guidelines. which permits pet dogs and cats to enter the U.K as cargo without the usual 6 months quarantine as long as certain conditions are met. Flights from the U.K.: Pets are accepted for travel both in the cabin and in the baggage compartment. Service animals: If you wish to travel with a service animal, please contact Air Canada Reservations and ask for the Medical Assistance Desk. |
Re: Cats in plane cabin
Originally Posted by TheNorms
(Post 12469516)
I was under the same impression and was making plans to travel on the Euro tunnel to fly from Paris. Someone on here gave me the great news that Air Canada fly pets in the cabin from LHR, they are the only airline that fly pets out of U.K. I believe.
Air Canada —— United Kingdom Flights to or via the U.K.: Due to quarantine laws, pets are not accepted in the cabin or as checked baggage. They may, however, travel as cargo, and all bookings must be made through Air Canada CargoOpens in New Window. Air Canada was the first North American carrier to participate in the United Kingdom's Pet Travel Scheme (PETS)Opens in New WindowExternal site which may not meet accessibility guidelines. which permits pet dogs and cats to enter the U.K as cargo without the usual 6 months quarantine as long as certain conditions are met. Flights from the U.K.: Pets are accepted for travel both in the cabin and in the baggage compartment. Service animals: If you wish to travel with a service animal, please contact Air Canada Reservations and ask for the Medical Assistance Desk. |
Re: Cats in plane cabin
The uk airport websites plus ba and virgin say its a no no, air canadas website says its possible but doesnt say how its actually achieved, given till a year or 2 back i flew weekly, and have NEVER seen a dog or a cat in departures, if there is a system, the animals bypass human departures and get to the plane presumably with the animal reception people delivering them. I did once see a real service dog on my plane. That was relatively inhumane as he had to sit in front of his owner in no space at all, but well behaved...
As to are animals in the cabin a good idea, i really dont think it it personally. I have heard enough stories about problems. Im sure either way is stressful for an animal but overall the hold is a more controllable environment. Re the allergy issue, i was once on emirates in club, munching my peanuts when a man in front said loudly that he had a peanut allergy and everyone had to stop eating them. I asked him if hehad told the airline - of course not he said... The stewardess arrived, heard him, and said he should have informed them, then emirates would not have let him in club [no real nuts in economy?] and he would have to move to economy for his own safety. Well done emirates! If you tell them they can either say you cant fly or accomodate you. Did you realise, if you dont tell them and cause the plane to divert they can bill you for the cost! Peoples holiday insurance may or not cover it - probably not if you didnt warn the airline, and diverting is several tens of thousands in cost. |
Re: Cats in plane cabin
Originally Posted by uk_grenada
(Post 12469520)
The uk airport websites plus ba and virgin say its a no no, air canadas website says its possible but doesnt say how its actually achieved, given till a year or 2 back i flew weekly, and have NEVER seen a dog or a cat in departures, if there is a system, the animals bypass human departures and get to the plane presumably with the animal reception people delivering them. I did once see a real service dog on my plane. That was relatively inhumane as he had to sit in front of his owner in no space at all, but well behaved...
As to are animals in the cabin a good idea, i really dont think it it personally. I have heard enough stories about problems. Im sure either way is stressful for an animal but overall the hold is a more controllable environment. Re the allergy issue, i was once on emirates in club, munching my peanuts when a man in front said loudly that he had a peanut allergy and everyone had to stop eating them. I asked him if hehad told the airline - of course not he said... The stewardess arrived, heard him, and said he should have informed them, then emirates would not have let him in club [no real nuts in economy?] and he would have to move to economy for his own safety. Well done emirates! If you tell them they can either say you cant fly or accomodate you. Did you realise, if you dont tell them and cause the plane to divert they can bill you for the cost! Peoples holiday insurance may or not cover it - probably not if you didnt warn the airline, and diverting is several tens of thousands in cost. Each airline does have a max number of pets allowed on each flight, so before you book your flight call Air Canada to make sure they can accommodate your pet before booking just in case they are full. |
Re: Cats in plane cabin
Originally Posted by weves
(Post 12469355)
Yes we traveled with 2 cats in the Cabin. It cost us about $60 CAD per cat I think in 2016. Putting in the hold will cost you thousands.
We used SleepyPod Air carriers, they need to be flexible because the underside of a seat is oddly shaped due to the lifejacket. The carriers just look like sports bags, no one can see the cats behind the black mesh, and no one said anything one way or the other. Most of the time people have pets in the cabin and no one realizes. The carriers are expensive, but nothing compared to putting cats in the hold. Even if your cats are a little vocal, I would not worry about disturbing other people, the aircraft is a very noisy environment, they will barely be heard above the engine roar, and your cats will likely settle down soon enough, the rubble seemed to agree with ours. As for people with allergies, if you are like us, you're covered in as much cat hair as the cats, so what difference does it make? And as for the smell if they do have an accident, cabins have great air circulation it won't be there for long. We were also concerned about them wetting the carriers, so invested in liners for the carriers. We had planned to move to the bathroom and change blankets and had nappy bags ready to dispose of any waste. But they were very good in the end. Our cats were extremely well behaved, and slept most of the way from UK to Halifax. We hadn't thought of the general aircraft noise. Our cats are somewhat nervous at the best of times, noise normally keeps them quiet in that regard. One of our cats does mouth breathe when she is panicked which is one of the main reasons we wanted her with us as well so we can keep an eye on that. They are indoor only and aren't familiar with other animals either, another issue with using a pet carrying service where they bundle animals together in the hold. When the flight had taken off, were you allowed to put the cat carriers on your lap at all (expanding them somewhat) so the cat could stretch? Did they allow you to take a handbag still? My initial concern was the cat wouldn't have much movement space, but having now watched them sleep in their beds for the last 10 hours without getting up, that is less of a concern now lol. In regards to people saying that we are thinking about ourselves: No, we aren't. We know our cats, we also know there are increased risks putting them in the hold (dead, lost etc). In regards to them meowing on the flight and annoying people, I could say the same about babies and children. Same applies for allergies. Generally, if I recall correctly, the aircraft contains things like HEPA filters with the air circulation so allergens (like fur/dander etc) become much less of an issue. I don't think we own anything that isn't covered with cat hair at this point. Edit: would not be flying anytime soon to clarify, so rules may well change, but weighing up options/costs for the time being. |
Re: Cats in plane cabin
Originally Posted by jimmynoshoes
(Post 12469686)
Thanks for this. Gem is my partner so responding on her behalf here :)
We hadn't thought of the general aircraft noise. Our cats are somewhat nervous at the best of times, noise normally keeps them quiet in that regard. One of our cats does mouth breathe when she is panicked which is one of the main reasons we wanted her with us as well so we can keep an eye on that. They are indoor only and aren't familiar with other animals either, another issue with using a pet carrying service where they bundle animals together in the hold. When the flight had taken off, were you allowed to put the cat carriers on your lap at all (expanding them somewhat) so the cat could stretch? Did they allow you to take a handbag still? My initial concern was the cat wouldn't have much movement space, but having now watched them sleep in their beds for the last 10 hours without getting up, that is less of a concern now lol. In regards to people saying that we are thinking about ourselves: No, we aren't. We know our cats, we also know there are increased risks putting them in the hold (dead, lost etc). In regards to them meowing on the flight and annoying people, I could say the same about babies and children. Same applies for allergies. Generally, if I recall correctly, the aircraft contains things like HEPA filters with the air circulation so allergens (like fur/dander etc) become much less of an issue. I don't think we own anything that isn't covered with cat hair at this point. Edit: would not be flying anytime soon to clarify, so rules may well change, but weighing up options/costs for the time being. Arguments about pets vs humans are pointless. |
Re: Cats in plane cabin
Yes aircanada site says must be kept under the seat in front. But people (on other sites) have said they put their pet on their lap once the flight had taken off. Obviously the pet remains in the carrier unless taken to the toilet for a clean up.
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Re: Cats in plane cabin
Okays. It seems some of my comments, PoV , experience & opinions have been mistakenly taken as derogatory personal comments. That was certainly not the case nor intended as that at all and I apologise to those that feel offended. I was just having and being a part of a conversation.
For people with cat/dog allergies dander is a problem, especially in a confined space. People hot wash their clothes with detergents. Cats wash themselves of course but that is not a hot wash & confined for many hours the cat cannot help but shed dander. I hadn’t actually realised that people could have someone else’s pet placed under their seat. For some reason I thought it would be under one’s own seat. As Pollyana states , not all people realise that a cat/dog might be found close to them in a passenger cabin. They may reasonably expect the passenger cabin to be for passengers , not pets & give this no thought. It may well exist for some airlines but when booking a flight I have yet to see a warning that I might find myself with a cat/dog under my seat & so to alert the airline to an allergy. All I have ever seen is that about diet. For me the airline should be responsibly ensuring that both passengers and any pets are safe and healthy on a flight. My understanding is that on short haul flights an airline will ensure a set amount of seat distance between the pet and those that declare an allergy & they will have the person/pet moved if there is a problem. However the owner equally must take responsibility for the environment around them , their pets & also other passengers who have also paid for their flight. I do understand that there is hysteria & a few horror stories out there regarding pets flying cargo , however equally pets can also die in the passenger cabin. FWIW. The pet AFAIK needs to remain in its holder for the entire length of the journey. In this case 8 hours fly time + other travel and wait times. Pet carriers for a hold are quite large. Animals are not given sight of each other. When we flew our cats years ago I hoped for the two of them to have sight of each other for the two long hauls but that was prohibited. Again though , a professional pet carrier is better able to advise. I suggested the OP contact professional pet shippers and carriers as she wrote “ For her peace of mind†which I took to mean her wanting her cats with her in the passenger cabin for her own peace of mind . The aim was to offer her something to help calm her mind on this and bring in realistic and factual input regarding pets & animals routinely and safely flying in the hold ,worldwide, daily. Golden Arrow have a great rep and can answer concerns and questions with a huge amount of knowledge and experience behind them. Some airlines of course operate better policies than others so it is wise to check via a pet carrier and then cross check with any airline concerned as to those policies. Not all airlines leave pets in carriers on airport tarmac. They have services to deal with animals. Many do not allow pets on their flights during certain times of year. Some have explicit services to ensure the health and safety of the animal. At the end of the day it is up to the OP of course. |
Re: Cats in plane cabin
Originally Posted by BEVS
(Post 12469865)
Golden Arrow have a great rep and can answer concerns and questions with a huge amount of knowledge and experience behind them.
Some airlines of course operate better policies than others so it is wise to check via a pet carrier and then cross check with any airline concerned as to those policies. Not all airlines leave pets in carriers on airport tarmac. They have services to deal with animals. Many do not allow pets on their flights during certain times of year. Some have explicit services to ensure the health and safety of the animal. At the end of the day it is up to the OP of course. True. A friend has recently looked after a cat for a woman who intended to fly from Vancouver to LA ................... but was unable to do so because the airline refuses to carry pets in winter. She did not know that. Our friend had agreed to look after the cat for about 3 weeks, instead she had it from last October until about 2 weeks ago. |
Re: Cats in plane cabin
Originally Posted by uk_grenada
(Post 12468736)
https://www.skyscanner.net/news/airline-pet-fees
https://www.aircanada.com/uk/en/aco/...ance/pets.html However, you never ever see pets at gatwick or heathrow. Im betting if theres a dispensation with air canada outbound only [check personally there seem to be several gotchas in plane type etc], you probably have to leave the animal with animal reception and they take it to your plane - having checked box etc. There will be a fee... Rule used to be that the cat must be able to stand up, turn around and lie comfortably. I also would not put my cat in the hold. Why not look for a pet travel company? |
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