Canada recession looming?
Jun 30th 2012, 11:46 am
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Jun 30th 2012, 11:49 am
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Re: Canada recession looming?
The day RIM closes down, and it could happen very soon, we'll see some negative effects for sure
Jun 30th 2012, 12:07 pm
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I also think the UK will be on an opposite trajectory.
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The UK double dipped back into recession last month. No sign of recovery there. The benefit system is about to get absolutely hammered. As usual, it's the vulnerable to get targeted and the real culprits are eating strawberries and cream at Wimbledon.
I also think the UK will be on an opposite trajectory.
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The UK double dipped back into recession last month. No sign of recovery there. The benefit system is about to get absolutely hammered. As usual, it's the vulnerable to get targeted and the real culprits are eating strawberries and cream at Wimbledon.
Jun 30th 2012, 12:21 pm
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Strawberries and cream pfffft how about caviar and foie gras washed down with Bollinger or an 1893 Veuve Clicquot.
Jun 30th 2012, 3:33 pm
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Re: Canada recession looming?
Funnily enough, unemployment rate in Yorkshire (4.8%) is much lower than BC (7.4%), Quebec (7.8%), Ontario (7.8%), Manitoba (5.1%), nova scotia (9.1%), new Brunswick (9.4%).
So yes you're right
And they do better fish and chips in Yorkshire
So yes you're right
And they do better fish and chips in Yorkshire
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Jun 30th 2012, 3:41 pm
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Jun 30th 2012, 3:55 pm
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I used to think this would happen. It still might, but do not underestimate how far the government will go to prevent this happening, a drop yes, serious crash - unlikely imo.
More likely is that interest rates will be lowered and/or money will be printed thus stealing from anyone with savings or on a fixed income. I'd guess that right now, savings in cash are probably losing about 3 or 4% a year in value in real terms. Not a problem if what you want to buy is losing value quicker than that, but over the long term it's a risky strategy as the state will choose inflation over deflation every single time the economy goes down the toilet.
This shit still pisses me off
More likely is that interest rates will be lowered and/or money will be printed thus stealing from anyone with savings or on a fixed income. I'd guess that right now, savings in cash are probably losing about 3 or 4% a year in value in real terms. Not a problem if what you want to buy is losing value quicker than that, but over the long term it's a risky strategy as the state will choose inflation over deflation every single time the economy goes down the toilet.
This shit still pisses me off
According to The Economist, Canadian house prices are 75% overvalued against rents, which is the highest in the OECD. That figure is for the whole of Canada, it's likely to be worse for places like Toronto and Vancouver.
My own personal experience backs this up. In my neck of the woods (outer Toronto suburbs) a family home can be rented for 50% of the mortgage payments on an equivalent home in the same area. This is at current low interest rates - imagine how much out of whack it would be if interest rates went up...
The price/rent ratio is usually seen as an excellent indicator of property 'fair value'. It will have to come down from its amazing 75% overvaluation at some point. So basically you're saying that the government will print money to stoke inflation on purpose, therefore pushing up the cost of living tremendously? That could work, as rents would be pushed up as well, which would bring the price/rent ratio back to normal.
Jun 30th 2012, 4:01 pm
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Yes - that's basically what I'm saying. It's what they did / have been doing with ZIRP and QE.
Jun 30th 2012, 4:07 pm
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I've lived in South Cambridgeshire for the past 10 years until very recently. Where the general cost of living has gone up tremendously since 2008 (50 pound weekly Tesco shop ballooned to 80/90 pounds, to give just one example), rents in our area have actually *gone down*. So have house prices, but not as much as rents.
As per usual for a house price boom, if you bought a UK house at the top of the market (2006/7/8), there is no way in hell that the rent will even remotely cover the mortgage.
Jun 30th 2012, 4:10 pm
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Jun 30th 2012, 4:22 pm
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