Canada post.
 

Couldn't find the old Canada post thread so thought i'd start up a new one.

Most recently they cocked up a priority delivery by delivering it 2 days late, and on the box where I ticked 'signature required', the mail delivery person actually crossed that out (you can still see my checkmark underneath his/her pen marks), and proceeded to shove a brand new passport in my community mailbox. I've been on hold for 25 minutes waiting to ream someone out over it. Pretty sure that counts as tampering with mail which IIRC is a federal offence.

Sending the receipt back with Purolator didn't go well either, they dropped the unit number off the package and thus it didn't get delivered on time either. Guess ya can't win lol.

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There are several offences that deal with mail (usually theft) under the Criminal Code Of Canada or the Canada Post Corporation Act.

Canada Post Corporation Act


Opening mail

48 Every person commits an offence who, except where expressly authorized by or under this Act, the Customs Act or the Proceeds of Crime (Money Laundering) and Terrorist Financing Act, knowingly opens, keeps, secretes, delays or detains, or permits to be opened, kept, secreted, delayed or detained, any mail bag or mail or any receptacle or device authorized by the Corporation for the posting of mail.

• R.S., 1985, c. C-10, s. 48;
• R.S., 1985, c. 1 (2nd Supp.), s. 172;
• 2000, c. 17, s. 88;
• 2001, c. 41, s. 79.

Criminal Code Theft from mail

• 356 (1) Everyone commits an offence who
  • (a) steals
    • (i) anything sent by post, after it is deposited at a post office and before it is delivered, or after it is delivered but before it is in the possession of the addressee or of a person who may reasonably be considered to be authorized by the addressee to receive mail,
      
    • (ii) a bag, sack or other container or covering in which mail is conveyed, whether or not it contains mail, or
      
    • (iii) a key suited to a lock adopted for use by the Canada Post Corporation;
      
  • (a.1) with intent to commit an offence under paragraph (a), makes, possesses or uses a copy of a key suited to a lock adopted for use by the Canada Post Corporation, or a key suited to obtaining access to a receptacle or device provided for the receipt of mail;
    
  • (b) has in their possession anything that they know has been used to commit an offence under paragraph (a) or (a.1) or anything in respect of which they know that such an offence has been committed; or
    
  • (c) fraudulently redirects, or causes to be redirected, anything sent by post.
    
• Marginal note:Allegation of value not necessary
  
  (2) In proceedings for an offence under this section it is not necessary to allege in the indictment or to prove on the trial that anything in respect of which the offence was committed had any value.
  
• Marginal note:Punishment
  
  (3) Everyone who commits an offence under subsection (1)
  • (a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than 10 years; or
    
  • (b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

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Problem is ....... how do you prove that it was the mailman who changed the designation for signature required??

It could have been anyone who handled that piece of mail.

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Whats happening with this strike?

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Both sides are still negotiating. They seem to still be talking and working with a mediator based on the last update a couple of days ago.

I beleive the union would need to give 72 hours notice before a strike can start.

If they have not reached a settlement by the time you want to send your citizenship application, I would send it Fedex to be safe.

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Thanks for the update - Ill keep my eye on it

I tried to look for a price with Fedex and I couldn't work it out online.

I know with Xpress post (including tracking and signature) it will be around $35 so I don't know if Fedex would be similar price or more expensive..? (never used a courier company before)

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Here you go (I put in any old postcode for Vancouver - this is for a package so an envelope is likely to be even cheaper.. :)
https://www.fedex.com/ratefinder/sta...=getQuickQuote


You could try this to get an idea of prices too: https://secureship.ca/


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...4b36139102.jpg

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Appears citizenship application also goes to Sydney, NS, I would say around $40 using a Fedex envelope (free from fed ex drop off box or store) as that is what I was quoted for my PR card renewal, I ended up risking Canada Post as I had to go cheaper and Xpress post was $20 using my own envelope.

No service is really any faster though, from BC to that far away, seems 3-7 days is the norm depending on what day of the week you send it, took Canada Post 6 days with Xpresspost, sent Wed October 3, and arrived on the 9th for my PR card renewal.

Looking at the fedex website using my postal code in east Vancouver, rate is $41.89 using a Fedex envelope. 7 day trip, or $45 dollars for a 5 day trip.

For the quote I chose Fedex envelope and 0.5 pound weight, for 1 pound weight the rate is $52.52.

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Also check UPS ..... OH has used them as they have an office nearby, and they have seemed well priced.

and Purolator, while owned by Canada Post, will not be on strike.

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Thank you all. I will keep this in the back of my mind in case the strike happens soonish

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I won't risk sending any important post with Canada post any more since I send my registered citizenship application on Aug 12 was not signed for it and still on tracking it says in transient. they assured me it has been delivered but till now I can not be sure if delivered or not as it is 2 month and no acknowledgement yet. So with Fedex you will be sure it is delivered and you sleep well at night. I send Fedex to USA - cost about $50 and that was next day delivery So I assume it ll slightly cheaper in Canada. good luck!

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Since this is a new thread, I think it fair to repeat what I've said on the original one.
No complaints about CanadaPost. The only time I have used a courier was a prepaid label for the return of a laptop. My PR application was sent registered but passport renewal docs were sent normal post.

Everything expected arrives, Amazon deliveries via CanadaPost are received earlier than amazon says.

Canada Post rings my bell or knocks on the door and waits for someone to answer before handing over a parcel. Courier companies, except for something heavy and large, will leave a parcel on the doorstep. Just the other day there was a knock, I went to the door, saw the parcel on the doorstep and the courier van was already driving off.

Yay for CanadaPost :thumbsup:

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Just keep in mind it can take up to a week for mail to reach Sydney, NS and that the union only needs to give 72 hours notice of a strike l.

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I send an Express Post envelope to BC each month and it usually takes 3 days. If I mail it on Monday it often gets there on Wednesday, and almost always before Friday.
In Russia mail delivery can be harsh:
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...9c473202f6.gif

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Good grief people you are using a service that involves human beings and no system is perfect.
Stuff is sent everyday between points A to B and I suspect that in most cases arrive without any hiccups.
So short of delivering the stuff you want sending or picking it up yourself you rely on these services. Even then after picking it up you could trip up and drop the box breaking the item :lol:
Canada Post are infamous for going on or threatening to go on strike much like the Royal mail and I dare say a few others. Yes it can be a PITA not knowing if your item could be delivered in time but thats life and strikes, walkouts are just not limited to mail services.
If you think the extra $50 is worth it overnight to say end of 5 business days then go for it.
Maybe Im lucky but for the past 30 odd years never had a birthday card go missing be it sent from the UK or Canada using Royal Mail or Canada Post. Also never had a parcel go missing using a variety of shippers.
Until they find a way of securing email or online portals then certain stuff needs to be sent via mail/courier unless of course you are willing to sacrifice your personal details being hacked.

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:blink:
Good business for glaziers though.

First world problems. :nod:
You get birthday cards? How quaint ;)

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We have been through postal strikes in Canada, several of them!!

In fact, we arrived at the Peace Arch border without any papers because Canada Post had been on strike for 6 weeks. CBSA officers were fantastic ............ looked at us, and the letter of employment that OH had, and said "Fine. Your papers should be at UBC, if they're not, just go to the Immigration Office in Vancouver, and you'll be fine"

Only we weren't ........... Immigration Officer in downtown Vancouver said we had to go back to the border, re-enter the US, and then come back into Canada."

hmmmmmmmmmm. Drove down to Peace Arch, stopped this side of the border, walked into the CBSA office ............ and another nice CBSA officer went into the back room and pulled out the envelope containing all our papers from the Out Box, waiting for that evening's pick-up by Canada Post :lol:

Since then, we've been through at least 5 actual strikes, and I don't know how many contract negotiations with the union having the right to call a strike in 72 hours..

This time, I really would not be surprised to see it actually happen.

So, beckiwoo, I wouldn't trust anything important to the post until you see announcements that everything has been settled and ratified!

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If only the government could I dunno use this new technology called the internet to submit applications, seems like it would streamline things a bit and maybe speed things up.

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Obviously missed this bit from my post

Until they find a way of securing email or online portals then certain stuff needs to be sent via mail/courier unless of course you are willing to sacrifice your personal details being hacked.

A lot of info you send the Govt is classed as PROTECTED B information or the forms themselves once completed are classed as PROTECTED B so has to be sent via secure means.

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Guess we better stop online tax returns then.

CRA manages to let me do just about everything online, file taxes, get copies of my past returns, etc.

BC Govt lets people apply for social services online, submit monthly reports online all requiring personal info to be submitted.

If other branches of govt can so why cant immigration folks?

The info I send them for PR card renewal and other immigration related purposes is no more personal vs other private info supplied to govt departments by various online means.

I would accept your point if other branches of government were not already letting people conduct bussiness online involving personal info so to me seems its quite possible to submit this info via a dedicated website of sorts.

Oh forgot about EI its done online as well and they ask for quite a lot of personal info to apply for EI.

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Thats where the problem lies not all Departments within the Govt are set up and have secure websites or portals. For example I cannot send disclosure (evidence to be used) to the Immigration & Refugee Board via email or to a lawyer dealing with the case unless its sent encrypted.
The CRA website does have somewhat secure encryption when we send our tax returns online. I have no idea how much it would cost to have all Departments receive personal information online. Sending via email means the sender and recipient need means of encrypting and decrypting files or information sent that contains PROTECTED B information.

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I often wonder about that level of risk. Are your bank details more at risk on line than if you lose your cheque book or bank card?
Is it easier to hack into government websites than to identify and make illegal use of (or sell) normal mail to and from government offices as a bent postal worker?

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In the olden days we just handed over all our banking info via a form of check.

Check had lets see:

Account number, address, phone number, bank branch info, account number, transit and branch number and we gladly provided signature on them as well.

So much personal info freely handed over dozen or more times a month.

Ive never had any issues with online banking but back in 1998 I did have a check stolen in the mail and the crook did what crook does to change the amount to something else.

I had more banking troubles pre online banking vs now. Seems safer now.

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We've had birthday cards and a 21st birthday present (small, but still .......) go missing from Canada to UK, and cards apparently go missing from UK to Canada. That's over 50 years.

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I have had 3 parcels never arrive via CP and retailer had to re-ship.

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J, you'll probably know the answer to this.
I have a parcel coming tomorrow according to my email from UPS today. It says signature required and there's a box to click that says Sign Now.

If I click it, a page comes up for me to sign in or register. I won't be registering but I'm curious about the 'sign now' thing. I assume that means a signature won't be needed tomorrow - in which case I'd be confirming receipt even if it's not delivered or some opportunist takes it if left on the doorstep and UPS are absolved of responsibility.

Is that what it means or is it something else?

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Hmmm. Never seen that option before. I assume its for the parcel can be letlft if nobody is home.

But thenif you sign now and its not delivered will they say oh it was delivered and signed for.

Is there small print that says anything?

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strike notice has been given. Looks like rotating strikes will begin Monday unless an agreement is reached.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4558468/c...=notification/

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Perhaps there is if I register. The button just takes you to the sign on/register page. I just see no point in registering. It's rare there's nobody home to receive anything.