Is Canada becoming part of the North American Union?
Dec 28th 2008, 8:24 pm
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Re: Is Canada becoming part of the North American Union?
The idea behind common defence is getting a bit paranoid here.
I was in the CDN army in the '80s. Back then I was a medic. We did regular training to back up the SAR techs if a major airliner went down in the artic and there we actually loads of survivors. The problem was, if our battle group (airborne) went out enmasse we didn't have enough aircraft (Herc's) to do the job. We would have to rely on the 'mer-ikins for airpower (as usual). Just as well as they are pretty good at it, at least there kit wasn't 30yrs old and started the first time.
A few yrs ago when the swiss air flight crashed off NS, if was the americans who provided the bulk of the underwater salvage/investigation.
Treaties like this make these things happen in a time of crisis without pfaffing around with politicians. NORAD can implement the best available resources to meet the crisis.
Sounds good to me.
I was in the CDN army in the '80s. Back then I was a medic. We did regular training to back up the SAR techs if a major airliner went down in the artic and there we actually loads of survivors. The problem was, if our battle group (airborne) went out enmasse we didn't have enough aircraft (Herc's) to do the job. We would have to rely on the 'mer-ikins for airpower (as usual). Just as well as they are pretty good at it, at least there kit wasn't 30yrs old and started the first time.
A few yrs ago when the swiss air flight crashed off NS, if was the americans who provided the bulk of the underwater salvage/investigation.
Treaties like this make these things happen in a time of crisis without pfaffing around with politicians. NORAD can implement the best available resources to meet the crisis.
Sounds good to me.
Dec 29th 2008, 12:08 am
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Re: Is Canada becoming part of the North American Union?
What defines an emergency under this agreement? The US needing more oil so invading Alberta?
Dec 29th 2008, 1:27 am
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Re: Is Canada becoming part of the North American Union?
Yes, Canada is fast becoming a part of the North American Union..
EU has health service but US not fond of this idea..I wonder how it will affect Canada
In legislature in Manitoba, the speaker of the house spoke with podium front decorated with Provincial flag on a blue ground & stars circled around the emblem..pple at my job dont really get what this means.
Manitoba's oil pipeline Keystone project is just coming thru Carman Manitoba right now at about 2 miles a day.
There are several roadways under construction and border to Wpg is already completed. This is to facilitate the movement of Chinese goods (in return for Canadian oil) north from the port of Lazero Cardenas in S.Mex ..\
One Hwy is called the NASCO corridor a 10-lane super highway which branches as it comes north thru Tex .. Texan's are not too happy about inland customs, ..rewilding of their provinces and shutting down the small towns along the route w/steel barricades ...destination in Manitoba is Port of Churchill. Access to Hwy is controlled with chipped RFID cards,,these chipped licences are gg 2b avail in Mb in 2009.
Wpg is located on the NASCO corridor website heralding the newly styled "DW"..destination Winnipeg logo and Manitoba Spirited Energy ($3m cost)new logo.
The western corridor is called CANAMEX and goes north to Alberta splits to Vancouver and port of Prince Rupert and then up to Alaska.Borders to Mexico will be open. Look it up on the web.
The US expects lots of trouble when things start to roll b/c the majority of the pple are unaware of the consequences of their loss of sovreignty. They have built huge complexes to hold pple should the trouble get out of hand.
Mexicans are being hired on as police and military since US is fast losing their soldiers to the middle east.
Americans are starting to notice they r being arrested by Mexicans, the riot training is showing and new private security forces r searching buses and businesses but ord Americans think it's all to do with 911..
all of North America will be one place and they say on the news that the coastline will be easier to control as a whole. The arctic dployment of US troops in Cdn territory is entirely about the current cold war not the NAU.
There's a lot of implications in the merging of CANAMEX..its not going to be pretty!
EU has health service but US not fond of this idea..I wonder how it will affect Canada
In legislature in Manitoba, the speaker of the house spoke with podium front decorated with Provincial flag on a blue ground & stars circled around the emblem..pple at my job dont really get what this means.
Manitoba's oil pipeline Keystone project is just coming thru Carman Manitoba right now at about 2 miles a day.
There are several roadways under construction and border to Wpg is already completed. This is to facilitate the movement of Chinese goods (in return for Canadian oil) north from the port of Lazero Cardenas in S.Mex ..\
One Hwy is called the NASCO corridor a 10-lane super highway which branches as it comes north thru Tex .. Texan's are not too happy about inland customs, ..rewilding of their provinces and shutting down the small towns along the route w/steel barricades ...destination in Manitoba is Port of Churchill. Access to Hwy is controlled with chipped RFID cards,,these chipped licences are gg 2b avail in Mb in 2009.
Wpg is located on the NASCO corridor website heralding the newly styled "DW"..destination Winnipeg logo and Manitoba Spirited Energy ($3m cost)new logo.
The western corridor is called CANAMEX and goes north to Alberta splits to Vancouver and port of Prince Rupert and then up to Alaska.Borders to Mexico will be open. Look it up on the web.
The US expects lots of trouble when things start to roll b/c the majority of the pple are unaware of the consequences of their loss of sovreignty. They have built huge complexes to hold pple should the trouble get out of hand.
Mexicans are being hired on as police and military since US is fast losing their soldiers to the middle east.
Americans are starting to notice they r being arrested by Mexicans, the riot training is showing and new private security forces r searching buses and businesses but ord Americans think it's all to do with 911..
all of North America will be one place and they say on the news that the coastline will be easier to control as a whole. The arctic dployment of US troops in Cdn territory is entirely about the current cold war not the NAU.
There's a lot of implications in the merging of CANAMEX..its not going to be pretty!
Dec 29th 2008, 7:13 am
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Re: Is Canada becoming part of the North American Union?
Hi, I have researched this on the web and read thats it's all some fake conspiracy? But also read that it isn't. I really don't know what to believe tbh.
When are we likely to see proof of this happening? And will it mean that there are no Borders so free movement for Canadians etc within north America? No visas or waivers etc??
When are we likely to see proof of this happening? And will it mean that there are no Borders so free movement for Canadians etc within north America? No visas or waivers etc??
Dec 29th 2008, 11:39 am
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Re: Is Canada becoming part of the North American Union?
Never. It's not happening.
That's already as true as it's ever likely to be. Canadians don't need a visa or waiver to visit the US or Mexico.
That's already as true as it's ever likely to be. Canadians don't need a visa or waiver to visit the US or Mexico.
Dec 29th 2008, 3:06 pm
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Re: Is Canada becoming part of the North American Union?
US Customs already do a lot of work in Canada already.
The contradiction on the issue would be if you having a Union with Mexico why build a fence between yourselves?
Dec 29th 2008, 7:40 pm
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Thanks!!
Dec 29th 2008, 8:53 pm
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Re: Is Canada becoming part of the North American Union?
It's just common knowledge (at least for Canadians). As a Canadian, I have travelled into the States and Mexico without my passport... it was not a requirement, until very recently. Actually I think I can still fly directly to Mexico with just my CND birth certificate and driver's licence... not sure if that's changed. Visas, waivers? No.
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Dec 29th 2008, 8:54 pm
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Re: Is Canada becoming part of the North American Union?
Citizens of Canada traveling to the U.S. do not require a nonimmigrant visa, except for the travel purposes as described below.
Canadians require nonimmigrant visas for temporary travel to the U.S. for these purposes:
* Foreign government officials (A), officials and employees of international organizations (G) and NATO officials, representatives and employees assigned to the U.S. as needed to facilitate their travel
* Treaty traders (E-1)
* Treaty investors (E-2)
* Fiance/es (K-1)
* Children of fiancées (K-2)
* U.S. citizen's foreign citizen spouse, who is traveling to the U.S. to complete the process of immigration (K-3).
* Children of a foreign citizen spouse (K-4) described above
* Spouses of lawful permanent residents (V-1) traveling to the U.S. to reside here while they wait for the final completion of their immigration process
* Children of spouses of lawful permanent residents (V-2) described above
http://www.travel.state.gov/visa/tem...hout_1260.html
Entry of Citizens of Canada
Citizens of Canada are exempt from the visa and passport requirement of Immigration and Nationality Act (section 212(a)(7).) To enter the United States, a Canadian citizen must be able to establish both identity and citizenship. Documents that may establish citizenship are:
* Birth certificate
* Citizenship certificate
* Passport.
Although a CBP officer may accept an oral declaration of citizenship, it is recommended that a Canadian citizen carry a document that establishes citizenship. Under current procedures, all travelers may be required to present photo-identification.
http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/travel/id...ada_mexico.xml
Canada, Mexico and Bermuda are not participants in the Visa Waiver Program. The Immigration and Nationality Act includes other provisions for visa-free travel for nationals of Canada and Bermuda under certain circumstances.
Since they are not part of the Visa Waiver Program, VWP requirements for machine-readable or biometric passports do not apply to nationals of Canada, Mexico or Bermuda.
http://www.travel.state.gov/visa/tem...html#countries
Canadians require nonimmigrant visas for temporary travel to the U.S. for these purposes:
* Foreign government officials (A), officials and employees of international organizations (G) and NATO officials, representatives and employees assigned to the U.S. as needed to facilitate their travel
* Treaty traders (E-1)
* Treaty investors (E-2)
* Fiance/es (K-1)
* Children of fiancées (K-2)
* U.S. citizen's foreign citizen spouse, who is traveling to the U.S. to complete the process of immigration (K-3).
* Children of a foreign citizen spouse (K-4) described above
* Spouses of lawful permanent residents (V-1) traveling to the U.S. to reside here while they wait for the final completion of their immigration process
* Children of spouses of lawful permanent residents (V-2) described above
http://www.travel.state.gov/visa/tem...hout_1260.html
Entry of Citizens of Canada
Citizens of Canada are exempt from the visa and passport requirement of Immigration and Nationality Act (section 212(a)(7).) To enter the United States, a Canadian citizen must be able to establish both identity and citizenship. Documents that may establish citizenship are:
* Birth certificate
* Citizenship certificate
* Passport.
Although a CBP officer may accept an oral declaration of citizenship, it is recommended that a Canadian citizen carry a document that establishes citizenship. Under current procedures, all travelers may be required to present photo-identification.
http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/travel/id...ada_mexico.xml
Canada, Mexico and Bermuda are not participants in the Visa Waiver Program. The Immigration and Nationality Act includes other provisions for visa-free travel for nationals of Canada and Bermuda under certain circumstances.
Since they are not part of the Visa Waiver Program, VWP requirements for machine-readable or biometric passports do not apply to nationals of Canada, Mexico or Bermuda.
http://www.travel.state.gov/visa/tem...html#countries
Dec 29th 2008, 8:55 pm
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Re: Is Canada becoming part of the North American Union?
Citizens of Canada traveling to the U.S. do not require a nonimmigrant visa, except for the travel purposes as described below.
Canadians require nonimmigrant visas for temporary travel to the U.S. for these purposes:
* Foreign government officials (A), officials and employees of international organizations (G) and NATO officials, representatives and employees assigned to the U.S. as needed to facilitate their travel
* Treaty traders (E-1)
* Treaty investors (E-2)
* Fiance/es (K-1)
* Children of fiancées (K-2)
* U.S. citizen's foreign citizen spouse, who is traveling to the U.S. to complete the process of immigration (K-3).
* Children of a foreign citizen spouse (K-4) described above
* Spouses of lawful permanent residents (V-1) traveling to the U.S. to reside here while they wait for the final completion of their immigration process
* Children of spouses of lawful permanent residents (V-2) described above
http://www.travel.state.gov/visa/tem...hout_1260.html
Entry of Citizens of Canada
Citizens of Canada are exempt from the visa and passport requirement of Immigration and Nationality Act (section 212(a)(7).) To enter the United States, a Canadian citizen must be able to establish both identity and citizenship. Documents that may establish citizenship are:
* Birth certificate
* Citizenship certificate
* Passport.
Although a CBP officer may accept an oral declaration of citizenship, it is recommended that a Canadian citizen carry a document that establishes citizenship. Under current procedures, all travelers may be required to present photo-identification.
http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/travel/id...ada_mexico.xml
Canada, Mexico and Bermuda are not participants in the Visa Waiver Program. The Immigration and Nationality Act includes other provisions for visa-free travel for nationals of Canada and Bermuda under certain circumstances.
Since they are not part of the Visa Waiver Program, VWP requirements for machine-readable or biometric passports do not apply to nationals of Canada, Mexico or Bermuda.
http://www.travel.state.gov/visa/tem...html#countries
Canadians require nonimmigrant visas for temporary travel to the U.S. for these purposes:
* Foreign government officials (A), officials and employees of international organizations (G) and NATO officials, representatives and employees assigned to the U.S. as needed to facilitate their travel
* Treaty traders (E-1)
* Treaty investors (E-2)
* Fiance/es (K-1)
* Children of fiancées (K-2)
* U.S. citizen's foreign citizen spouse, who is traveling to the U.S. to complete the process of immigration (K-3).
* Children of a foreign citizen spouse (K-4) described above
* Spouses of lawful permanent residents (V-1) traveling to the U.S. to reside here while they wait for the final completion of their immigration process
* Children of spouses of lawful permanent residents (V-2) described above
http://www.travel.state.gov/visa/tem...hout_1260.html
Entry of Citizens of Canada
Citizens of Canada are exempt from the visa and passport requirement of Immigration and Nationality Act (section 212(a)(7).) To enter the United States, a Canadian citizen must be able to establish both identity and citizenship. Documents that may establish citizenship are:
* Birth certificate
* Citizenship certificate
* Passport.
Although a CBP officer may accept an oral declaration of citizenship, it is recommended that a Canadian citizen carry a document that establishes citizenship. Under current procedures, all travelers may be required to present photo-identification.
http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/travel/id...ada_mexico.xml
Canada, Mexico and Bermuda are not participants in the Visa Waiver Program. The Immigration and Nationality Act includes other provisions for visa-free travel for nationals of Canada and Bermuda under certain circumstances.
Since they are not part of the Visa Waiver Program, VWP requirements for machine-readable or biometric passports do not apply to nationals of Canada, Mexico or Bermuda.
http://www.travel.state.gov/visa/tem...html#countries
Thanks though
Dec 29th 2008, 9:33 pm
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Re: Is Canada becoming part of the North American Union?
Of course I can't demonstrate that there's no North American Union. I can't demonstrate that there aren't unicorns either. Do you have any evidence for the existence of such a union?
Dec 29th 2008, 9:35 pm
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Re: Is Canada becoming part of the North American Union?
Hi, I have looked into the Nexus program and would just like to know how it would work for declaring goods brought in the USA? It states that there are automated kiosks, therefore I am assuming that you would not speak with an actual person? Would this mean that you could then not declare any goods in the hope you would not be stopped to pay duties?
Thanks!!
Thanks!!
I have a friend who has a nexus pass as he travels to the US daily for work - he says despite this, he says he still gets stopped almost daily going into the US because he fits their "profile" (wrong colour). So it's not a totally automated process, there's still a chance you can be stopped...
Dec 29th 2008, 9:37 pm
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I have however viewed many webistes and seen television news reports of the NAU happening at some point. Whether this will happen of not is yet to be seen. Like I said before, I don't know what to believe! Time will tell........
Dec 29th 2008, 9:38 pm
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Re: Is Canada becoming part of the North American Union?
I wondered about this too - presumably there's a trust element here, if you have goods to bring in, you have to stop and declare them, if you got caught not doing so, presumably your nexus pass would be revoked.
I have a friend who has a nexus pass as he travels to the US daily for work - he says despite this, he says he still gets stopped almost daily going into the US because he fits their "profile" (wrong colour). So it's not a totally automated process, there's still a chance you can be stopped...
I have a friend who has a nexus pass as he travels to the US daily for work - he says despite this, he says he still gets stopped almost daily going into the US because he fits their "profile" (wrong colour). So it's not a totally automated process, there's still a chance you can be stopped...
