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Old Jul 13th 2005, 6:03 pm
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Why are we all so desperate to get into a country that:-

a). Does not recognise our qualifications.

b). Does not recognise our work experience.

c). Does not even recognise our divorce papers, FFS!!!!

The first anniversary of my AOR comes around in a few days time, but I think I've had enough. The more I read about Canada, the more I think that it is living in the dark ages.

The 'better way of life' argument just doesn't work anymore. I can beat my head against the wall over here......I don't need to go to Canada to do it.

End result? Stay put and enjoy the UK. It is not perfect, but at least I can understand the reasoning behind most of the decisions that the Government throw our way. Canadian 'protectionism' is beyond my limited IQ.

It was nice while it lasted, but the dream has died.

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Old Jul 13th 2005, 6:22 pm
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Originally Posted by Scouse
Why are we all so desperate to get into a country that:-

a). Does not recognise our qualifications.

b). Does not recognise our work experience.

c). Does not even recognise our divorce papers, FFS!!!!

The first anniversary of my AOR comes around in a few days time, but I think I've had enough. The more I read about Canada, the more I think that it is living in the dark ages.

The 'better way of life' argument just doesn't work anymore. I can beat my head against the wall over here......I don't need to go to Canada to do it.

End result? Stay put and enjoy the UK. It is not perfect, but at least I can understand the reasoning behind most of the decisions that the Government throw our way. Canadian 'protectionism' is beyond my limited IQ.

It was nice while it lasted, but the dream has died.

Scouse.
You read the crap posted here too much. Canada in general, and for most UK immigrants is just not like it is posted here. It is a better life for most, but if you are going to obsess on the negatives and whine about chocolate or TV, then immigration maybe isnt for you. The job market is an issue for some. Me and many others have never found it a problem, but in some trades requalification is necessary, but if you know your stuff not a major hassle, and in fact once you are here the reason for the protectionism becomes clear from this side of the fence.

Canada is a different country, thats the whole point. The canadian way of life is different (Better? for some no, for most yes). If you have lost sight of why you applied maybe its time to visit again rather than jack the whole thing in. I guess what I'm trying to say is that you need to examine what your motivation for the move was, and how realistic it is that your aims will be met by life in canada once you get over the initial settling and getting used to the canadian way of doing things phase. Just based on population density alone I couldnt stand living in the UK now, or even the GTA come to that. Having spent the day in the GTA yesterday I couldnt wait to leave it. Having seen the difference between Canada and the UK in things like rip off pricing and antisocial behavour, I know where I want to live.

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As has been commented on before the nature of this forum will encourage those that are not happy with their move to Canada to take the oppertunity and share their dissatisfaction. Is it fair to say it's crap? It isn't for those who feel unhappy with their Canadian lifestyle. Me? I'm still not decided yet but my experience so far tells me that for anyone who already has a very decent lifestyle in the UK with a decent job and a decent house then I'm not sure Canada has anything that much better to offer. I don't consider this a negative comment just an honest one.

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[QUOTE=iaink]You read the crap posted here too much. Canada in general, and for most UK immigrants is just not like it is posted here. It is a better life for most, but if you are going to obsess on the negatives and whine about chocolate or TV, then immigration maybe isnt for you. [QUOTE]

Wise words from a wise guy.... adapt or die, embrace the difference.

Good luck Scouse whatever goes your way. Can honestly say we have had times when we felt the same way during the long big PR sleep - but we worked through it and are looking forward to the move.

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At least he won't have to put up with this crappy Canadian weather
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Originally Posted by iaink
You read the crap posted here too much. Canada in general, and for most UK immigrants is just not like it is posted here. It is a better life for most, but if you are going to obsess on the negatives and whine about chocolate or TV, then immigration maybe isnt for you. The job market is an issue for some. Me and many others have never found it a problem, but in some trades requalification is necessary, but if you know your stuff not a major hassle, and in fact once you are here the reason for the protectionism becomes clear from this side of the fence.

Canada is a different country, thats the whole point. The canadian way of life is different (Better? for some no, for most yes). If you have lost sight of why you applied maybe its time to visit again rather than jack the whole thing in. I guess what I'm trying to say is that you need to examine what your motivation for the move was, and how realistic it is that your aims will be met by life in canada once you get over the initial settling and getting used to the canadian way of doing things phase. Just based on population density alone I couldnt stand living in the UK now, or even the GTA come to that. Having spent the day in the GTA yesterday I couldnt wait to leave it. Having seen the difference between Canada and the UK in things like rip off pricing and antisocial behavour, I know where I want to live.
Valid points however I find it interesting that once a person moves to another country they no longer are given the opportunity to find something not to their liking without being told they are whining or indeed a winger. What a shame that term is always used to put people down and prove that they are a person with a glass half empty.
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As has been commented on before the nature of this forum will encourage those that are not happy with their move to Canada to take the oppertunity and share their dissatisfaction. Is it fair to say it's crap? It isn't for those who feel unhappy with their Canadian lifestyle. Me? I'm still not decided yet but my experience so far tells me that for anyone who already has a very decent lifestyle in the UK with a decent job and a decent house then I'm not sure Canada has anything that much better to offer. I don't consider this a negative comment just an honest one.

I wish you well Scouse with your future plans and wherever they take you.

What consitutes a "Decent Lifestyle" is very subjective. For instance I consider "Decent Living" a home place where I have plenty of living space especially between me and my neighbours, the roads are not crowded, the weather is predictable and allows outdoor activities all year round, streets are safe, crime is low or non-existent.

Also those negative comments about the immigrant experience in Canada are probably just as applicable to new immigrants in the UK. They are predictable and rather than blame the country more responsibility rests with the individual.
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Originally Posted by ladylisa
Valid points however I find it interesting that once a person moves to another country they no longer are given the opportunity to find something not to their liking without being told they are whining or indeed a winger. What a shame that term is always used to put people down and prove that they are a person with a glass half empty.
Im not saying that people shouldnt be allowed to whine about what they dont like , Im just saying that the the nature of this forum is that happy immigrants dont tend to come here for long after they have landed, other than if they have a problem and want some advice or just to vent to people who understand where they are coming from.

In my view this forum doesn't really offer a balanced view of expat life in Canada, and as you all know I have almost jacked in posting here several times, but usually I come back as someone has to post some positive counterpoint I suppose! Glaswegian is a classic example, his early posts were rather negative, then things started to turn around and he left, and when he recently came back in a new guise he found the whining and negativity (that he used to contribute to!) too much and hasnt been back since.

Of course posters are entitled to whine, their negative experiences are valid, and frankly I think its better for people to approached emigration prepared for the worst...better to prepare for the worst and have your expectations exceeded than wear rose tinted specs and find the reality to be a disappointment. But at the same time if you are visiting this site hoping to see what the expat experience is really like, remember that this is not necessarily a representative sample!

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when he recently came back in a new guise he found the whining and negativity (that he used to contribute to!) too much and hasnt been back since.
I didn't spot him...put me out of my misery and give us a clue
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Originally Posted by iaink
You read the crap posted here too much. Canada in general, and for most UK immigrants is just not like it is posted here. It is a better life for most, but if you are going to obsess on the negatives and whine about chocolate or TV, then immigration maybe isnt for you. The job market is an issue for some. Me and many others have never found it a problem, but in some trades requalification is necessary, but if you know your stuff not a major hassle, and in fact once you are here the reason for the protectionism becomes clear from this side of the fence.

Canada is a different country, thats the whole point. The canadian way of life is different (Better? for some no, for most yes). If you have lost sight of why you applied maybe its time to visit again rather than jack the whole thing in. I guess what I'm trying to say is that you need to examine what your motivation for the move was, and how realistic it is that your aims will be met by life in canada once you get over the initial settling and getting used to the canadian way of doing things phase. Just based on population density alone I couldnt stand living in the UK now, or even the GTA come to that. Having spent the day in the GTA yesterday I couldnt wait to leave it. Having seen the difference between Canada and the UK in things like rip off pricing and antisocial behavour, I know where I want to live.
Well said iank, i would just like to add that as in the UK, no-one need be unemployed. The only unemployed people are the ones that do not want to work, if you are prepared to take a lower wage then you can quite easily get a job. Andy is not working at the moment but only because he is not a PR yet, as soon as it comes through, he will be working within 2 weeks (almost guaranteed)
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Well said iank, i would just like to add that as in the UK, no-one need be unemployed. The only unemployed people are the ones that do not want to work, if you are prepared to take a lower wage then you can quite easily get a job. Andy is not working at the moment but only because he is not a PR yet, as soon as it comes through, he will be working within 2 weeks (almost guaranteed)
Good luck to you Scouse, come on in, the waters lovely

Right on you need to be flexible when looking for employment. After all, people typically have three or more careers during their working life. As an example when I left England in 1968 I was a Civil Servant working for the Post Office Telephones as a Telephone Engineer. I couldn't get an equivalent job in Canada because the phone system was private and I didn't have engineer qualifications. So I became an Engineering Assistant which was basically reviewing changes to drawings. As the computer industry was ramping up I became a Service Technician on mainframe systems, then a National Tech Specialist. Then servicing process control minicomputers. Then started my own business servicing microcomputers and then became an executive for a printer manufacturer and then got into quality management. I am now semi retired as a freelance Quality Management Consultant.

So you may be disappointed if you expect a direct transfer to an equivalent job. Even if you get in the same field expect to go down a notch or two.
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I have said before, the first year is a DODDLE compared to what comes after ..... my "anniversary" was back in Feb, and certainly by end of March I was seriously down about everything, questioning my motives, getting snappy and depressed with the waiting. I think it comes in waves ..........

Thing is, you can't actually pull out now, the wheels are grinding on. You could stop by not getting your meds done and forgetting about it at that stage, but for now, maybe you should just pull in your horns a bit, get off this forum for one thing ....... it's so common what you are feeling, truly it is.

What I would have done, at your point, and if I had had the money and the time avaliable would have been to take another trip out there. It was April 2004 when we were last there, and though I remember that it felt so right back then, it is hard to rekindle that feeling back here, with nothing much happening.

To summarise, if you can get out for a visit, do so. If you can't then try not (HA HA I KNOW) to dwell and worry about everything, but go off and do something else for a while. It may well be 5-6 months til you hear anything.

During that time you can do nothing about it, or you can organise a trip out there, do some networking and try to get a job lined up. Pick some likely looking companies, email your CV and tell them you are coming to visit on .... and would really like an informal meeting if they can spare the time. Follow it up with a phone call if you can get a named person, and convince them you are serious about coming out and really want to work for them.

Once you actually meet people, keep in touch, let them know your progress and don't let them forget about you. Even if they can't offer you a job, they may put you onto somebody who can!

I think the worst thing about the stage you have reached is the feeling of being helplessly in limbo .... somebody else has to decide your fate. If you can take back a bit of control over your life I'm positive you'll feel better about the whole thing!

Remember why you wanted to emigrate? I'll bet those feelings are still there!

Sorry I seem to have burbled on rather , but what you are feeling has struck a chord with me as I'm sure others will recognise too!

You'll do. Try not to worry.
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It is so true that a lot of people enjoying life in Canada don't post on this forum. When I lived in NS I used to be on this forum so much more.

This time last year we were faced with the huge decision of "Do we give Canada another go but this time in Ontario?", an even harder decision I think especially as we had become discontented in NS and returned to the UK no more than a year before. After having lived in Nova Scotia we were well aware that Canada definitely wasn't the Utopia that I had imagined it would be. This fact initially was very shocking to me.

What swayed it for me in the end was the wonder factor really, the fact that we still weren't totally happy (Mainly because we couldn't afford a house and therefore for me to be a Stay at home mum) with living in the UK ( I do love the UK though). When I say the Wonder factor I mean that I didn't want to live the rest of my life thinking what if we had moved to Ontario etc??

We decided to give it a go for at least three years. To buy a house and totally throw ourselves into living as fully as we could. As it happens, so far we are all loving it and I am personally so pleased that we made this move. Things are by no means perfect but I think overall that the quality of life I can provide for my child (and future children hopefully) is 200% better than in the UK. Some things still irritate the heck out of me over here, but then on Saturday we all cycled about 10kms with our twenty month old on our bike, something someone like me would never have even dreamed of doing in the UK and I know that this is definitely for us.

We all just tend to talk about negative things as well and no one really raves on about the good things, I think thats the nature of disscussion in general really.

I would definitely say give it a go, yes you ave some money to lose if you don't like it, but otherwise nothing is undoable.

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I think a lot of the problems are immiragnt problems rather than country problems. The issues of having foreign qualifications and experience and legal documents recognized is something not limited to Canada. Canada has the added complication of every province and territory having it's own special rules which can be frustrating when you can say exchange a driving licence with no test in on province but have to retest in another and might have something else recognized in one province but not another, or you even re-test or re-licence in one province and then decide to move provinces and have to do it all again etc.

As I recall back in the UK there were lots of news stories about how we had to accept the foreign training of all these immigrant doctors who couldn't practice in the UK and I'm sure that pbtaining professional licences in the UK like chartered engineers or lawyers etc. are fraught with complications for immigrants. I just never used to read any UK immigrant message boards. I seem to recall the buggest bonus about the UK for immigrants was it's welfare system, which doesn't say much about other prospects that would prevent you from needing a welfare system.

I recall reading a forum that had a lot of folks who moved to Australia and the people who didn't like it (majority of posters) were even more vocal than those talking about Canada. They couldn't even say anything about friendly people as apparently all the locals hated them.

So in the end you have to accept that immigration is hard. There are a lucky few who have company transfers that set them up right away with nice jobs and a good income who don;t have to worry about that aspect, or people with a whole bunch of cash who can buy a house and a couple of cars and set themselves up nicely straight from the bat. I consider myself a lucky immigrant as my wife is Canadian and so I didn't feel as isolated because of her family, however I moved here straight from university with about $500 and we were both earning $9/hour in Canada and 2 years later are still mising the whole house, car, cottage type tihng that people go on about so much. I'm sure it would have been much easier (for me anyway) to have stayed in the UK and had her move there and then I'd have had no problem (theoretically) getting ajob with my UK recognized degree and network of friends and so forth and no culture shocks or adapting to anything beyond the progress and changes of life. However that's not the point. As people have pointed out, the whole point of immigration should be about wanting something different that isn't available where you currently live. It's about either experiencing a different culture and deciding you want to be a part of it, or about taking a chance because you like challanges. It's not supposed to be a walk in the park. Being accepted into something new never is. It's like your first day at a new school where you don't know anyone except maybe your sibling who is starting with you. The place is similar to where you were before but everything is in a different place, the people are different. Some are nice and some aren't. Hopefully most are nice. You know some stuff but other stuff you have to catch up on and other stuff you never even heard of before at your old school. Somethings are the same but they just call them by a different name or do it in a different order. You wish they served the same food as your old canteen but you adapt soon enough. Now you can either sit in a corner on your own every break and lunch and never talk to anyone and go home every day and tell your parents how much you hate the new school and you want to go back to your old one or you can get involved, maybe joina clubm find someone you like and make friends and soon enough you'll be enjoying the different stuff. Probably not something you want to change every year but change can be good if you embrance it.

Of course with immigration, in our cases, we have a choice, it isn't thrust upon us and just because you decide you want to move to a new country doesn't mean that from that point on you have to and if you change your mind it's in some way bad. We are all masters of our own destiny and if we decide that we don't want to move anymore then we are free to stay put. For some people it seems great at first but then once they realize it's not easy, it's hard and sometimes frustrating and depressing and requires sacrafices and hard work they deicde they'd rather not and that's their choice. As long as they know that there are rewards for the hard work. If you think about the tens of thousands of people who migrated to Canada from the UK and then weigh it against the few hundred who feel compelled to tell the internet how much it sucks then you have to figure there are a lot of happy migrants who just don't have the time or inclination to tell the internet everyday, most of them don't even know what an internet is anyway. If you move here and integrate with society then you meet them every day. Not just from the UK. I work with people from at least 40 different countries and I don't hear endless complaining about how much they all hate Canada. Most people seem to really like it. People complain about stuff, people who were born here complain about stuff. Canada has as many problems as every other country. Some are the same as the UK many are different and it's all handled differently, but then that's because it's a different country in a different continent that just happens to have a British and French colonial past that makes it that much easier for us to adapt then people from many other cultures. In the end you have to want a change and then enjoy the change and take advantage of the things that are different here that you can't do elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by andy_sheila
Well said iank, i would just like to add that as in the UK, no-one need be unemployed. The only unemployed people are the ones that do not want to work, if you are prepared to take a lower wage then you can quite easily get a job. Andy is not working at the moment but only because he is not a PR yet, as soon as it comes through, he will be working within 2 weeks (almost guaranteed)
Good luck to you Scouse, come on in, the waters lovely
You know, you are making a bit of a sweeping statement and it's not fair to tar everyone with the same brush. I can understand why you might say that because I used to think the same but not any longer. My Canadian wife has found it impossible to get work since we arrived in Canada and she is completely flummoxed by it. She's never had a problem before either in Canada or when she lived in the UK for five years. Remember, she is Canadian and is so happy to be back here, back to her home so there's no negativity from her but yet she remains unemployed.
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