Oink

If you didn't experience it then it must not exist, although I bet all those people wearing carpets on their backs in the House of Lords might have a different perspective.

Almost Canadian

So Alan Sugar was constrained by his "class" was he?

I am simply asking for examples. I have never experienced Greenland, but I don't doubt it exists. I would simply like to hear of some examples.

I choose not to believe I am a victim. I appreciate that others choose not to and will blame everything on their sex, sexuality, skin colour, height, weight [insert whatever is holding you back].

iaink

A (very) cursory look at the bios of a dozen or so of life peers appointed since 2010 finds as many, if not more peers with comprehensive school backgrounds as there are Eton / Oxbridge backgrounds...

Generally the split seems to follow party political allegiances FWIW...

iaink

A (very) cursory look at the bios of a dozen or so life peers appointed since 2010 finds as many, if not more peers with comprehensive school backgrounds as there are Eton / Oxbridge backgrounds...

Generally the split seems to follow party political allegiances FWIW...


Id say that the influence of class in the UK is well on the wane, its far more of a meritocracy than in the past.

If anyone cares to dig further the list is here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...(2010-present)

Oink

You only have to look at almost every major institution in the UK, whether its military, religious, governmental, judicial or industrial and take a look at the background of the people in the top positions. I realise the attractiveness of attributing free will to life and that people like to credit their intelligence and force of will to their existence, and while they may play some part in your outcomes, those of us who grew up the UK where/are to some degree conditioned/constrained by social class. To say otherwise is being obtuse.

Oink

What about the heredity ones?

bats

Really? Never? Ever?

Almost Canadian

I am not attempting to state that I am brilliant and deserving and no others are, all I am saying is that I have never, ever, come up against an issue with "class" at any time during the 35 odd years that I lived in England. I note that many on here talk about chavs in the UK but that you appear never to have met one.

I accept that money confers advantages; I accept that this is the position in most of the developed world. I can see that, in certain cultures, caste would have huge implications. I simply don't accept that "class" is as much of an issue in social mobility and you appear to suggest it is. I accept that I am only basing this upon my personal experiences. That is why I have asked others to provide theirs. Despite it being, apparently, so pervasive, no one has done so.

Almost Canadian

That's what I have stated, on numerous occasions. As this appears to exasperate you, would you care to share any such experience that you have had with us?

Oink

It doesn't exasperate anyone, its just crap. Your outlook or your aspirations have been limited by your and your parents class background. There are many jobs you couldn't have got, thus you've been constrained.

ExKiwilass

+1

Oink

Okay, try being King.

ArthurBrit

That's not a 'class' issue though is it?

you could go to the 1%ers and none of them could be king either there is only two men right now that can say they will become king and one of them is questionable.

bats

I think your view shows a lack of awareness of the world around you.

Almost Canadian

Not sure that's a job. I am not sure that would have impacted the lives of posters on here. Any others?