Area suggestions!
Mar 10th 2014, 4:08 pm
#16
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Re: Area suggestions!
LOL, OK dbd33, you're going back to 1960s borders. Woodbine to Victoria Park and south of Queen only. Fair enough.
I think you would have a hard time convincing someone who lives on Blantyre, Courcellete or Fallingbrook that they don't live in the Beach though.
You would be wrong in that guess Tirytory. It would have increased in value (97-2013) from $600k to that comparable $1.7 mil which is about a 180% increase. But who is to say you could not have put the $600k in some other house somewhere else and made as much or more in profit? From 1997 to 2008, you could get those kind of increases in house prices in a lot of places and I did.
I think you would have a hard time convincing someone who lives on Blantyre, Courcellete or Fallingbrook that they don't live in the Beach though.
You would be wrong in that guess Tirytory. It would have increased in value (97-2013) from $600k to that comparable $1.7 mil which is about a 180% increase. But who is to say you could not have put the $600k in some other house somewhere else and made as much or more in profit? From 1997 to 2008, you could get those kind of increases in house prices in a lot of places and I did.
Mar 11th 2014, 1:10 am
#17
Muskoka, Ontario
Joined: Aug 2013
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Re: Area suggestions!
LOL, OK dbd33, you're going back to 1960s borders. Woodbine to Victoria Park and south of Queen only. Fair enough.
I think you would have a hard time convincing someone who lives on Blantyre, Courcellete or Fallingbrook that they don't live in the Beach though.
You would be wrong in that guess Tirytory. It would have increased in value (97-2013) from $600k to that comparable $1.7 mil which is about a 180% increase. But who is to say you could not have put the $600k in some other house somewhere else and made as much or more in profit? From 1997 to 2008, you could get those kind of increases in house prices in a lot of places and I did.
I think you would have a hard time convincing someone who lives on Blantyre, Courcellete or Fallingbrook that they don't live in the Beach though.
You would be wrong in that guess Tirytory. It would have increased in value (97-2013) from $600k to that comparable $1.7 mil which is about a 180% increase. But who is to say you could not have put the $600k in some other house somewhere else and made as much or more in profit? From 1997 to 2008, you could get those kind of increases in house prices in a lot of places and I did.
Mar 11th 2014, 6:59 pm
#18
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Re: Area suggestions!
Some of you seem to have some weird ideas. What is 'pretentious' about what I wrote Tirytory? Please give a clear explanation of just what it is you find pretentious. Because I sure as heck can't see it in what I wrote.
In other words, what I am saying to you is put up or shut up. All you do is make comments without any substantiation.
In other words, what I am saying to you is put up or shut up. All you do is make comments without any substantiation.
Mar 11th 2014, 7:20 pm
#19
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Re: Area suggestions!
Collingwood is way too far to commute to TO every day, especially in winter.
You might want to look at Newmarket or Aurora, or maybe even as far up as Barrie.
Lake Simcoe not far away.
Good luck with a budget of 300k, maybe better to rent a year or two and wait
for the housing correction that hasn't happened in Canada yet.
Mar 11th 2014, 7:35 pm
#20
Nuther day in paradise.ca
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Re: Area suggestions!
Houses in Ajax have risen in $$$ over the last year or so, $350,000 would get a nice detached 3-4 bed house on the south/lake side of HW 401.
Mar 12th 2014, 12:58 am
#21
Muskoka, Ontario
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Re: Area suggestions!
Some of you seem to have some weird ideas. What is 'pretentious' about what I wrote Tirytory? Please give a clear explanation of just what it is you find pretentious. Because I sure as heck can't see it in what I wrote.
In other words, what I am saying to you is put up or shut up. All you do is make comments without any substantiation.
In other words, what I am saying to you is put up or shut up. All you do is make comments without any substantiation.
Definition of pretentious "making an extravagant outward show" "ostentatious" you're new here but you arrive and made clear references to your shrewd property purchases which have made you so much money (see above post) retiring early, offering unwanted advice, belittling someone's idea of amazing because it doesn't fit with your ideas... Yep think that pretty much sums up pretentious.
Sorry to hijack thread!!! Think I'll have to hit the ignore user for the first time.
Mar 12th 2014, 4:30 pm
#22
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Re: Area suggestions!
Huh, funny what you consider 'extravagant' or 'ostentatious' Tirytory. I mentioned numbers that any Beach resident would consider normal and not in the least extravagant or ostentatious.
I can see now where you get the 'pretentious' remark. It's based on your base line in terms of property values, incomes, etc. All that means is there is a difference in our base lines. It doesn't make what I said from my point of view pretentious in any way.
I can see now where you get the 'pretentious' remark. It's based on your base line in terms of property values, incomes, etc. All that means is there is a difference in our base lines. It doesn't make what I said from my point of view pretentious in any way.
Mar 12th 2014, 5:07 pm
#23
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Re: Area suggestions!
Huh, funny what you consider 'extravagant' or 'ostentatious' Tirytory. I mentioned numbers that any Beach resident would consider normal and not in the least extravagant or ostentatious.
I can see now where you get the 'pretentious' remark. It's based on your base line in terms of property values, incomes, etc. All that means is there is a difference in our base lines. It doesn't make what I said from my point of view pretentious in any way.
I can see now where you get the 'pretentious' remark. It's based on your base line in terms of property values, incomes, etc. All that means is there is a difference in our base lines. It doesn't make what I said from my point of view pretentious in any way.
You know your numbers. You know your net worth, you know the value of your pension, you remember what price you paid and received for houses. That's not unusual in Canadians, previously there was a poster OceanMDX who knew his numbers, and one who'd retired to Beaver Valley who remembered what age he was when he retired and what his net worth had been at the beginning and end of that day. The latter, alas, for all his tens of thousands of dollars, lacked a memorable poster name.
I think it's unusual for British people to know their numbers. Pretentious isn't the word I would use but I think there is a cultural difference here, I think British people who are not poor find money boring and discussion of money rather vulgar. The poor, of course, have no option but to think constantly of their cash flow.
Canadians, I think, see having money as an important achievement. I don't think we do.
Mar 12th 2014, 6:58 pm
#24
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Re: Area suggestions!
Fair point dbd33. Cultural norms do indeed differ and I have noticed several in terms of money in different countries.
For example, someone in Canada would not ask you what salary you earn. But a discussion of average house prices is not personal if you see the difference. If on the other hand you were in Greece and told an acquaintance you had just bought a new house, they might well ask, 'how much did you pay.' Straight out, no embarassment, no intent other than simple curiousity.
From my observations as a Canadian (though born a Brit I left at age 7 so for all intents and purposes, I am Canadian) Brits have several cultural quirks I have noticed (I did later in life live there for 6.5 years). One being the subject of money which you note. It's even less acceptable to talk about it than in Canada as you describe.
Another is that there seems to be a dislike of seeing anyone do better for themselves than someone else. In N. America we admire a self-made person. In the UK, when someone moves to a nicer house or buys a nicer car, the neighbours seem to have to try and put that person down. 'Oh, it's probably leased not owned', etc.
Even my British born and raised wife agrees with me on this point. When I lived in the UK I drove a small classic sports car. In Canada, when you drive say a 1965 Mustang down the road, people will beep their horn and give you a thumbs up etc. to indicate their admiration of the car. It's not about the money the car is worth or that you can afford to drive it, it's about admiring the car in and of itself.
In the UK, that never happened to me in 6.5 years accept at a Classic car Meet. Instead I and my wife actually noticed people purposely looking away many times, rather than even letting you see they noticed the car.
So it would seem they saw driving that car as either a: pretentious or b. did not want to acknowledge someone might be doing better than themself financially.
For me it was just a fun car to drive. I do recall one guy in a pub asking me why I drove that car and before I could answer the person sitting on the other side of him answering for me. 'Because he can'.
The funny thing is that no doubt someone like Tirytory will read this and again see me being pretentious in talking about driving a classic car. The car was worth $10,000. Not all classic cars cost $100k. So hardly 'ostentatious'. Now if it was a Bently or a Rolls, that might be what I would call ostentatious.
For example, someone in Canada would not ask you what salary you earn. But a discussion of average house prices is not personal if you see the difference. If on the other hand you were in Greece and told an acquaintance you had just bought a new house, they might well ask, 'how much did you pay.' Straight out, no embarassment, no intent other than simple curiousity.
From my observations as a Canadian (though born a Brit I left at age 7 so for all intents and purposes, I am Canadian) Brits have several cultural quirks I have noticed (I did later in life live there for 6.5 years). One being the subject of money which you note. It's even less acceptable to talk about it than in Canada as you describe.
Another is that there seems to be a dislike of seeing anyone do better for themselves than someone else. In N. America we admire a self-made person. In the UK, when someone moves to a nicer house or buys a nicer car, the neighbours seem to have to try and put that person down. 'Oh, it's probably leased not owned', etc.
Even my British born and raised wife agrees with me on this point. When I lived in the UK I drove a small classic sports car. In Canada, when you drive say a 1965 Mustang down the road, people will beep their horn and give you a thumbs up etc. to indicate their admiration of the car. It's not about the money the car is worth or that you can afford to drive it, it's about admiring the car in and of itself.
In the UK, that never happened to me in 6.5 years accept at a Classic car Meet. Instead I and my wife actually noticed people purposely looking away many times, rather than even letting you see they noticed the car.
So it would seem they saw driving that car as either a: pretentious or b. did not want to acknowledge someone might be doing better than themself financially.
For me it was just a fun car to drive. I do recall one guy in a pub asking me why I drove that car and before I could answer the person sitting on the other side of him answering for me. 'Because he can'.
The funny thing is that no doubt someone like Tirytory will read this and again see me being pretentious in talking about driving a classic car. The car was worth $10,000. Not all classic cars cost $100k. So hardly 'ostentatious'. Now if it was a Bently or a Rolls, that might be what I would call ostentatious.
Mar 12th 2014, 7:11 pm
#25
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Re: Area suggestions!
Fair point dbd33. Cultural norms do indeed differ and I have noticed several in terms of money in different countries.
For example, someone in Canada would not ask you what salary you earn. But a discussion of average house prices is not personal if you see the difference. If on the other hand you were in Greece and told an acquaintance you had just bought a new house, they might well ask, 'how much did you pay.' Straight out, no embarassment, no intent other than simple curiousity.
From my observations as a Canadian (though born a Brit I left at age 7 so for all intents and purposes, I am Canadian) Brits have several cultural quirks I have noticed (I did later in life live there for 6.5 years). One being the subject of money which you note. It's even less acceptable to talk about it than in Canada as you describe.
Another is that there seems to be a dislike of seeing anyone do better for themselves than someone else. In N. America we admire a self-made person. In the UK, when someone moves to a nicer house or buys a nicer car, the neighbours seem to have to try and put that person down. 'Oh, it's probably leased not owned', etc.
Even my British born and raised wife agrees with me on this point. When I lived in the UK I drove a small classic sports car. In Canada, when you drive say a 1965 Mustang down the road, people will beep their horn and give you a thumbs up etc. to indicate their admiration of the car. It's not about the money the car is worth or that you can afford to drive it, it's about admiring the car in and of itself.
In the UK, that never happened to me in 6.5 years accept at a Classic car Meet. Instead I and my wife actually noticed people purposely looking away many times, rather than even letting you see they noticed the car.
So it would seem they saw driving that car as either a: pretentious or b. did not want to acknowledge someone might be doing better than themself financially.
For me it was just a fun car to drive. I do recall one guy in a pub asking me why I drove that car and before I could answer the person sitting on the other side of him answering for me. 'Because he can'.
The funny thing is that no doubt someone like Tirytory will read this and again see me being pretentious in talking about driving a classic car. The car was worth $10,000. Not all classic cars cost $100k. So hardly 'ostentatious'. Now if it was a Bently or a Rolls, that might be what I would call ostentatious.
For example, someone in Canada would not ask you what salary you earn. But a discussion of average house prices is not personal if you see the difference. If on the other hand you were in Greece and told an acquaintance you had just bought a new house, they might well ask, 'how much did you pay.' Straight out, no embarassment, no intent other than simple curiousity.
From my observations as a Canadian (though born a Brit I left at age 7 so for all intents and purposes, I am Canadian) Brits have several cultural quirks I have noticed (I did later in life live there for 6.5 years). One being the subject of money which you note. It's even less acceptable to talk about it than in Canada as you describe.
Another is that there seems to be a dislike of seeing anyone do better for themselves than someone else. In N. America we admire a self-made person. In the UK, when someone moves to a nicer house or buys a nicer car, the neighbours seem to have to try and put that person down. 'Oh, it's probably leased not owned', etc.
Even my British born and raised wife agrees with me on this point. When I lived in the UK I drove a small classic sports car. In Canada, when you drive say a 1965 Mustang down the road, people will beep their horn and give you a thumbs up etc. to indicate their admiration of the car. It's not about the money the car is worth or that you can afford to drive it, it's about admiring the car in and of itself.
In the UK, that never happened to me in 6.5 years accept at a Classic car Meet. Instead I and my wife actually noticed people purposely looking away many times, rather than even letting you see they noticed the car.
So it would seem they saw driving that car as either a: pretentious or b. did not want to acknowledge someone might be doing better than themself financially.
For me it was just a fun car to drive. I do recall one guy in a pub asking me why I drove that car and before I could answer the person sitting on the other side of him answering for me. 'Because he can'.
The funny thing is that no doubt someone like Tirytory will read this and again see me being pretentious in talking about driving a classic car. The car was worth $10,000. Not all classic cars cost $100k. So hardly 'ostentatious'. Now if it was a Bently or a Rolls, that might be what I would call ostentatious.
Some denounce it as pretentious, I've even heard "ridiculous". My conciously eco-friendly and humanitarian daughter declined even to sit in it. It's no exaggeration to say that, if I drive around the block by our office, passers-by focus on it, they look at me with interest. I know how it feels to have someone call out "nice car, Buddy".
Mar 12th 2014, 7:14 pm
#26
limey party pooper
Joined: Jul 2012
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Re: Area suggestions!
Fair point dbd33. Cultural norms do indeed differ and I have noticed several in terms of money in different countries.
For example, someone in Canada would not ask you what salary you earn. But a discussion of average house prices is not personal if you see the difference. If on the other hand you were in Greece and told an acquaintance you had just bought a new house, they might well ask, 'how much did you pay.' Straight out, no embarassment, no intent other than simple curiousity.
From my observations as a Canadian (though born a Brit I left at age 7 so for all intents and purposes, I am Canadian) Brits have several cultural quirks I have noticed (I did later in life live there for 6.5 years). One being the subject of money which you note. It's even less acceptable to talk about it than in Canada as you describe.
Another is that there seems to be a dislike of seeing anyone do better for themselves than someone else. In N. America we admire a self-made person. In the UK, when someone moves to a nicer house or buys a nicer car, the neighbours seem to have to try and put that person down. 'Oh, it's probably leased not owned', etc.
Even my British born and raised wife agrees with me on this point. When I lived in the UK I drove a small classic sports car. In Canada, when you drive say a 1965 Mustang down the road, people will beep their horn and give you a thumbs up etc. to indicate their admiration of the car. It's not about the money the car is worth or that you can afford to drive it, it's about admiring the car in and of itself.
In the UK, that never happened to me in 6.5 years accept at a Classic car Meet. Instead I and my wife actually noticed people purposely looking away many times, rather than even letting you see they noticed the car.
So it would seem they saw driving that car as either a: pretentious or b. did not want to acknowledge someone might be doing better than themself financially.
For me it was just a fun car to drive. I do recall one guy in a pub asking me why I drove that car and before I could answer the person sitting on the other side of him answering for me. 'Because he can'.
The funny thing is that no doubt someone like Tirytory will read this and again see me being pretentious in talking about driving a classic car. The car was worth $10,000. Not all classic cars cost $100k. So hardly 'ostentatious'. Now if it was a Bently or a Rolls, that might be what I would call ostentatious.
For example, someone in Canada would not ask you what salary you earn. But a discussion of average house prices is not personal if you see the difference. If on the other hand you were in Greece and told an acquaintance you had just bought a new house, they might well ask, 'how much did you pay.' Straight out, no embarassment, no intent other than simple curiousity.
From my observations as a Canadian (though born a Brit I left at age 7 so for all intents and purposes, I am Canadian) Brits have several cultural quirks I have noticed (I did later in life live there for 6.5 years). One being the subject of money which you note. It's even less acceptable to talk about it than in Canada as you describe.
Another is that there seems to be a dislike of seeing anyone do better for themselves than someone else. In N. America we admire a self-made person. In the UK, when someone moves to a nicer house or buys a nicer car, the neighbours seem to have to try and put that person down. 'Oh, it's probably leased not owned', etc.
Even my British born and raised wife agrees with me on this point. When I lived in the UK I drove a small classic sports car. In Canada, when you drive say a 1965 Mustang down the road, people will beep their horn and give you a thumbs up etc. to indicate their admiration of the car. It's not about the money the car is worth or that you can afford to drive it, it's about admiring the car in and of itself.
In the UK, that never happened to me in 6.5 years accept at a Classic car Meet. Instead I and my wife actually noticed people purposely looking away many times, rather than even letting you see they noticed the car.
So it would seem they saw driving that car as either a: pretentious or b. did not want to acknowledge someone might be doing better than themself financially.
For me it was just a fun car to drive. I do recall one guy in a pub asking me why I drove that car and before I could answer the person sitting on the other side of him answering for me. 'Because he can'.
The funny thing is that no doubt someone like Tirytory will read this and again see me being pretentious in talking about driving a classic car. The car was worth $10,000. Not all classic cars cost $100k. So hardly 'ostentatious'. Now if it was a Bently or a Rolls, that might be what I would call ostentatious.
Mar 12th 2014, 7:53 pm
#27
Muskoka, Ontario
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Re: Area suggestions!
I would use the words smug, condescending, and irritating to describe you. Even in a post questioning your concept of money and worth you manage to tell us that you owned a Mustang. You miss the point about British people and money, it isn't that we resent the rich having money, we really don't care. What does irritate is people such as yourself going on about their houses, pensions, and cars.
I think displays of wealth are not very nice, it's a bit like old money and new money, the difference in how showy you are.
Now the car thing, my husband loves cars, used to drive a nice two seater (can't remember the name, began with M I think) pre kids, and he will often admire a car, or would have his car admired. I didn't notice any of that false pretence or envy you talk of, I think maybe that's your perception rather than reality. I might look away from drivers but that's only because I think it's a bit rude to stare when you are minding your business driving a car. After all you only a drive a car for pleasure, not for what other people think of you. Honestly I don't get my husbands interest in cars, as long as it gets you from A to B who cares....
Mar 12th 2014, 7:55 pm
#28
Muskoka, Ontario
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 3,045
Re: Area suggestions!
It's not about the absolute numbers. It's about what you know and what you seem to value.
You know your numbers. You know your net worth, you know the value of your pension, you remember what price you paid and received for houses. That's not unusual in Canadians, previously there was a poster OceanMDX who knew his numbers, and one who'd retired to Beaver Valley who remembered what age he was when he retired and what his net worth had been at the beginning and end of that day. The latter, alas, for all his tens of thousands of dollars, lacked a memorable poster name.
I think it's unusual for British people to know their numbers. Pretentious isn't the word I would use but I think there is a cultural difference here, I think British people who are not poor find money boring and discussion of money rather vulgar. The poor, of course, have no option but to think constantly of their cash flow.
Canadians, I think, see having money as an important achievement. I don't think we do.
You know your numbers. You know your net worth, you know the value of your pension, you remember what price you paid and received for houses. That's not unusual in Canadians, previously there was a poster OceanMDX who knew his numbers, and one who'd retired to Beaver Valley who remembered what age he was when he retired and what his net worth had been at the beginning and end of that day. The latter, alas, for all his tens of thousands of dollars, lacked a memorable poster name.
I think it's unusual for British people to know their numbers. Pretentious isn't the word I would use but I think there is a cultural difference here, I think British people who are not poor find money boring and discussion of money rather vulgar. The poor, of course, have no option but to think constantly of their cash flow.
Canadians, I think, see having money as an important achievement. I don't think we do.
Mar 12th 2014, 9:09 pm
#29
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Re: Area suggestions!
Thanks for the suggestions...and the rest! lol
Will have a look into all of these
Will have a look into all of these
Mar 12th 2014, 9:29 pm
#30
Pea Brain
Joined: Jun 2005
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Re: Area suggestions!
For example, someone in Canada would not ask you what salary you earn. But a discussion of average house prices is not personal if you see the difference. If on the other hand you were in Greece and told an acquaintance you had just bought a new house, they might well ask, 'how much did you pay.' Straight out, no embarassment, no intent other than simple curiousity.
From my observations as a Canadian (though born a Brit I left at age 7 so for all intents and purposes, I am Canadian) Brits have several cultural quirks I have noticed (I did later in life live there for 6.5 years). One being the subject of money which you note. It's even less acceptable to talk about it than in Canada as you describe.
Another is that there seems to be a dislike of seeing anyone do better for themselves than someone else. In N. America we admire a self-made person. In the UK, when someone moves to a nicer house or buys a nicer car, the neighbours seem to have to try and put that person down. 'Oh, it's probably leased not owned', etc.
From my observations as a Canadian (though born a Brit I left at age 7 so for all intents and purposes, I am Canadian) Brits have several cultural quirks I have noticed (I did later in life live there for 6.5 years). One being the subject of money which you note. It's even less acceptable to talk about it than in Canada as you describe.
Another is that there seems to be a dislike of seeing anyone do better for themselves than someone else. In N. America we admire a self-made person. In the UK, when someone moves to a nicer house or buys a nicer car, the neighbours seem to have to try and put that person down. 'Oh, it's probably leased not owned', etc.
When I sold the business, it all started again. How much profit did I make? why was the business worth $x? How could you justify that price? The sentiment was jealousy and distaste.