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Old Aug 3rd 2012, 9:08 pm
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Originally Posted by helcat12
So, having owned our home in the UK we do not qualify for the BC Government tax rebate, but how are we fixed for the Federal one?

Our home has been renovated and it was acquired as our first Canadian home purchase two weeks ago!
If you follow the first link you'll see that you are eligible if you haven't lived in a home you owned either this year or in any of the four preceding years. There are no geographical terms, so I assume that means worldwide.

Edited to add: the renovation thing is only relevant in the case of HST being charged I think.

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Originally Posted by agr
The Federal government seems to still have a First Time Home Buyer (FTHB) tax credit, with its own eligibility rules (preceding four years):

http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/gncy/bdgt/2009/fqhbtc-eng.html

And the BC Government also has a FTHB scheme giving relief on property transfer taxes, but it has different eligibility criteria:

http://www.sbr.gov.bc.ca/documents_l...ns/ptt_004.pdf

No potential homeowner shall be left unincentivized!
Originally Posted by agr
If you follow the first link you'll see that you are eligible if you haven't lived in a home you owned either this year or in any of the four preceding years. There are no geographical terms, so I assume that means worldwide.
Well, we did live in a home we owned last year before coming to Canada, so I assume we are ineligible.

Apparently, some homeowners WILL go unincentivised and it is us !
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Originally Posted by helcat12
Well, we did live in a home we owned last year before coming to Canada, so I assume we are ineligible.

Apparently, some homeowners WILL go unincentivised and it is us !
Out of curiousity, how do they know you owned a house if you don't tell them?
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Originally Posted by el_richo
Out of curiousity, how do they know you owned a house if you don't tell them?
They talk to HMRC. At least, it's always safest to assume they do.
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Out of curiousity, how do they know you owned a house if you don't tell them?
Originally Posted by agr
They talk to HMRC. At least, it's always safest to assume they do.
I wouldn't want to claim anything I a not entitled to and then be done for tax fraud later.

Canadian government departments have so much info on us from the immigration process I would be surprised if there was anything they didn't know about me.
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Originally Posted by agr

And the BC Government also has a FTHB scheme giving relief on property transfer taxes, but it has different eligibility criteria:
BC also has a temporary FTHB income tax credit of up to $10,000 but a) you have to have been resident in BC for a year, and it expires 03/31/13. As with the PTT exemption it is never, anywhere.
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Originally Posted by el_richo
Out of curiousity, how do they know you owned a house if you don't tell them?
When you transfer your cash over (and it's a large enough sum) then most brokers will (should) ask where the money came from to comply with legislation preventing money laundering. I would guess that most people will say 'house sale'.
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Originally Posted by agr
Edited to add: the renovation thing is only relevant in the case of HST being charged I think.
Yes, no eligibility criteria for the buyer but the HST rebate is only available on new or substantially renovated homes up to certain maximum amounts.

Substantially renovated means, as a minimum, stripped back to the studs.
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Old Aug 3rd 2012, 11:49 pm
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Originally Posted by Alan2005
When you transfer your cash over (and it's a large enough sum) then most brokers will (should) ask where the money came from to comply with legislation preventing money laundering. I would guess that most people will say 'house sale'.
Aaaah. We just sold a place in London but are keeping the cash there cos we get much for for our money.

Wonder how diligent they are if we transfer a chunk over well after we buy here?
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http://www.sbr.gov.bc.ca/documents_l...eHomeBuyer.pdf

Penalty for False Declaration

If you are claiming an exemption or refund, you may be charged an amount equal to double the tax (the tax you owe plus a penalty equal to the exemption or refund you claimed) if you falsely declare:

that you have never owned an interest in a principal residence anywhere in the world at any time, or

that you have never received a BC first time home buyers’ tax exemption or refund.



And:

http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/ndvdls/t.../menu-eng.html

False statements or omissions penalty

You may have to pay a penalty if you, knowingly or under circumstances amounting to gross negligence, have made a false statement or omission on your 2011 return.

The penalty is equal to the greater of:

$100; and
50% of the understatement of tax and/or the overstatement of credits related to the false statement or omission.


HTH.
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Originally Posted by JonboyE
http://www.sbr.gov.bc.ca/documents_l...eHomeBuyer.pdf

Penalty for False Declaration

If you are claiming an exemption or refund, you may be charged an amount equal to double the tax (the tax you owe plus a penalty equal to the exemption or refund you claimed) if you falsely declare:

that you have never owned an interest in a principal residence anywhere in the world at any time, or

that you have never received a BC first time home buyers’ tax exemption or refund.



And:

http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/ndvdls/t.../menu-eng.html

False statements or omissions penalty

You may have to pay a penalty if you, knowingly or under circumstances amounting to gross negligence, have made a false statement or omission on your 2011 return.

The penalty is equal to the greater of:

$100; and
50% of the understatement of tax and/or the overstatement of credits related to the false statement or omission.


HTH.
Cheers JB
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I seem to have gone through my whole life so far never qualifying for any handouts, rebates, tax breaks or other government incentives.

What sort of government incentive do you get for being a hard-working, employable individual who pays their bills on time, doesn't commit any crime, take drugs or have a tribe of unruly, illegitimate children by multiple fathers ?

Please direct me to the website for that, if you would.
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What sort of government incentive do you get for being a hard-working, employable individual who pays their bills on time, doesn't commit any crime, take drugs or have a tribe of unruly, illegitimate children by multiple fathers ?
Such people, if any exist, would not need a government incentive, they could float around on their little cloud of superiority without havig to dabble with officialdom. Government is better exercised trying to help those in need.
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unincentivized?
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Default Re: Anyone know about the new home buyer rule

Originally Posted by agr
The Federal government seems to still have a First Time Home Buyer (FTHB) tax credit, with its own eligibility rules (preceding four years):

http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/gncy/bdgt/2009/fqhbtc-eng.html

And the BC Government also has a FTHB scheme giving relief on property transfer taxes, but it has different eligibility criteria:

http://www.sbr.gov.bc.ca/documents_l...ns/ptt_004.pdf

No potential homeowner shall be left unincentivized!
Originally Posted by The4BellsLondon
unincentivized?
Yes, I am not sure about this word either, but if the North Americans use it, when in Rome.......
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