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Old Oct 27th 2008, 11:10 am
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I worked in Mathew's Hall for a while. It is a lovely private school here in London.
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Chris, here is the source of my confusion. Sorry, but I have that sort of mind, it gets bovvered when it is suspected of dotage.


Good point Novo, I did some supply work in Mathew's Hall a couple of years ago.
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Old Oct 27th 2008, 1:25 pm
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I worked in Mathew's Hall for a while. It is a lovely private school here in London.
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Chris, here is the source of my confusion. Sorry, but I have that sort of mind, it gets bovvered when it is suspected of dotage.


Good point Novo, I did some supply work in Mathew's Hall a couple of years ago.
There you go. Memory like a steel trap, I have.
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Old Oct 27th 2008, 3:18 pm
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I think one of the most important things to consider when thinking about teaching over here, is money!! You will need a lot of savings or a steady source of income to keep you going while you wait to get your qualifications accredited and to get on to a supply list. I was fortunate in that my hubbie is not a teacher and managed to get a decent job to support us while I went through the whole process!!
This is the nub of the problem. Emigrating to Canada for a teacher only works if you have partner who can earn enough to sustain you until you break into a longer term teaching position. That timeframe can be years not months. If you are a single teacher or primary income earner is a teacher then it is pretty much impossible IMHO.

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Old Oct 27th 2008, 3:29 pm
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This is the nub of the problem. Emigrating to Canada for a teacher only works if you have partner who can earn enough to sustain you until you break into a longer term teaching position. That timeframe can be years not months. If you are a single teacher or primary income earner is a teacher then it is pretty much impossible IMHO.

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Exactly. In the OH's case it was a least three years between applying to OCT and getting a full time permanent position and another three thereafter to fully qualify as a teacher-librarian, thus increasing salary to something more-or-less acceptable.

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Old Oct 27th 2008, 4:00 pm
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Hi,
I don't know if it helps, but I can provide information concerning Nova Scotia. I am also a teacher for history of art and design at a German vocational school and hope to get something at a college in Nova Scotia. Last April I got in touch with the Nova Scotia Department of Education wondering if there are any specialties when having a PhD. There I was given the following information:
"Section 30D of the NS teacher certification regulations approved August 1, 2000 requires all applicants for the permanent Initial Teacher Certificate (ITC) to complete a minimum of five years (150 credit hours) of undergraduate education, including:
a) a minimum of tree years (90 credit hours) of approved academic content;
b) a minimum of a two year (60 credit hours) approved program of teacher education; and
c) receive an approved bachelor's degree from a recognized university.

Section 30S of the regulations provides for a Bridging Teacher's Certificate (BTC) for those individuals who have completed four years of university study, including an education program consisting of a minimum of 30 credit hours of theory plus a teaching practicum, and are certified in the jurisdiction in which the education program was completed. The BTC allows one to apply for teaching positions while completing the outstanding ITC requirements."

Then he wrote especially for my purposes:
" It is not a matter of whether your German teacher's certificate will be accepted but, rather, of whether your German academic qualifications will satisfy the requirements indicated above in Sections 30D or 30S. Our office can complete a pre-assessment for you to assist you in making this determination prior to committing to travel to Nova Scotia. To complete the pre-assessment we will require the following:

- transcripts of studies, including courses completed, from each university attended;
- if courses not indicated per transcript, a copy of your German study book indicating courses;
- copy of degree, diploma, etc. awarded from each university;
copy of statement of professional standing from the German state in which you completed your teacher education program and were initially certified as a teacher in Germany;
- level of your teacher education program (elementary or secondary).

So this was a long post, hope it helps - I think there aren't that many differences whether you apply for PR from the UK or Germany....

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Old Oct 27th 2008, 4:40 pm
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Hi

I am a secondary art and design teacher desperately wanting to find a job and settle in canada ......fingers crossed.......I dont have a masters but am applying for a masters in canada. On the official immigration website there are shortages in college lecturers in some states...... what would the possibility be of working at further education? is it realistic???

Is post secondary education classed as adullt education out there.

possible masters MFA fine art, MEd art education, MEd special ed.......any recommendations/advice would be great?????

Hopefully want to get a work permit for length of course ......get a job that way. Already put in for the skilled worker application......i'll be 90 by the time they get back to me!!!

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Ditto the comments about the need for a source of income (such as savings or another temporary job) to see you through a period of time.
The application for a teaching license can take a while. I'd have thought a year is a bit long, its taken me 5 months. And you can start the process before you arrive to cut down the time taken.
It took my girlfriend 2 months to get long term teaching work after we arrived but then she was already certified with the province by the time we arrived.
In my case, I need to take extra university credits, they seem fairly flexible when it comes to academic coursework credits but if you don't meet the practical teaching coursework credit hours then you really are in trouble.
I will need to complete a certain amount of credits per year to have my license renewed each year.
It does take time to get things sorted and there are layers of bureaucracy but once you get past that the people who have dealt with me have been very helpful indeed and have tried to assist. So, not impossible but certainly not easy. Having said that it seems a much better working environment, so the wait may be worthwhile.....
Oh, and having a permanent residence visa also definitely opens more doors, the teaching recruiters seem almost relieved when they find that out....
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Old Oct 28th 2008, 4:31 am
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Greetings:

I'm a secondary English teacher living and working in Montreal, Quebec (12 years). The primary teaching sector is full now, with little prospects for employment, so forget it, unless you want to teach in Quaqtaq.

Secondary teaching jobs do exist in Quebec, especially in high-density urban schools, and in remote areas (the far north, or HELL). The tough city schools have a tremendous turnover of teachers (some as high as 15%) per annum - almost all of the tougher schools are part of the French school boards. In Quebec, schools belong to either an (a) English school board, (b) French school board or (c) private school system. The largest employment requirements exist in sciences (chem/physics, senior biology, etc.), senior maths and of course French. Little opportunity exists in the junior secondary levels (6-7-8), the humanities, English, Music and Phys Education. In order to teach French language in Quebec you must have a high standard of training - the associated university level training is basic, as is having French as a langue maternelle. I have never met an anglophone French teacher (sorry).

If you do land a teaching job in Quebec, it will probably be in the private sector; unfortunately, the private sector has the (dis)reputable status of being slave drivers, paying poorly, and fixing students HS leaving marks. That said, private schools are the least discerning of employers - you may have success with them.

Small side-note: ESL/TESL is taught only in Quebec's French schools as all immigrants must enrol in a French school (board). Secondly, ESL/TESL is usually elective - dependant on the school/school board policies and curriculum.

One other area you may wish to consider is the CEGEP system in Quebec (it is the equivalent to grade 12 in English Canada - and sixth form in the UK. Many of the teaching positions are specialist jobs - such positions may exist for a media savvy creature.

Lastly, although it is twelve years ago, I started teaching in an English school (board) without Quebec certification. I was given three years to obtain equivalency (one course at McGill U.), and four years of probation (zounds well hard La). Tons of paperwork and a long waiting period. It was a cake walk - just Kafkesquebecois nonsense really. It may have changed, but MELS (Ministère de l'Éducation, du Loisir et du Sport) can fill in the up to date info on this topic. [http://www.mels.gouv.qc.ca/gr-pub/m_englis.htm]

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Good. A number of useful posts there overnight (my time).

Clearly, as expected, there are substantial differences between provinces. Perhaps most importantly, the news that in NS you can pre-apply for equivalency before being resident in province. This is definitely not the case in Ontario. Any comments on other jurisdictions?

Also, an interesting difference is that in Ontario, French language teachers are in demand in the English board public school sector (K-8) and that the standard of the teachers' francophone skills is often woeful. My (half-french) OH is routinely asked to interview prospective teachers of french in York Region because no-one in the French department of her school is really capable of assessing the applicants' linguistic level.
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Good. A number of useful posts there overnight (my time).

Clearly, as expected, there are substantial differences between provinces. Perhaps most importantly, the news that in NS you can pre-apply for equivalency before being resident in province. This is definitely not the case in Ontario. Any comments on other jurisdictions?

Also, an interesting difference is that in Ontario, French language teachers are in demand in the English board public school sector (K-8) and that the standard of the teachers' francophone skills is often woeful. My (half-french) OH is routinely asked to interview prospective teachers of french in York Region because no-one in the French department of her school is really capable of assessing the applicants' linguistic level.
My ex-wife teaches in a private school which specialises in coaching francophone adults to high school equivalency. The students are either from poor francophone countries or are Canadian but were in some way disadvantaged at the time of their schooling. All the high school subjects are taught in a French language environment. This is a tiny niche but they occasionally require teachers, especially part time science teachers, and they don't require local certification.

They do however have a staff that is well capable of assessing one's linguistic ability and then deriding it in French, English, German, Polish, Yiddish and so on. I see it in their eyes.
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If you do land a teaching job in Quebec, it will probably be in the private sector; unfortunately, the private sector has the (dis)reputable status of being slave drivers, paying poorly, and fixing students HS leaving marks. That said, private schools are the least discerning of employers - you may have success with them.GL!
I think you've hit the clou on the head there. At my stepson's (private) school in Gatineau, one of the English teachers was a Brit. I believe she migrated from Europe straight into the job.
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The Calgary Board of Education is currently accepting applications and all recent hires were placed in schools, including new graduates.

However as others have said the big drawback for foreign teachers is the requirement to be either a Canadian citizen or a permanent resident in order to get your teaching certificate.

http://www.cbe.ab.ca/Careers/teaching.asp
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you also need to get through an interview with Calgary Board, i know people who haven't and are very good teachers. If you don't, you can't reapply for 2 years.....
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hello dthomas,

thank you for your amazing post. very helpful. as you might know the MELS people are completely rude and useless (i'm from quebec, so expect rude service, but they are excellent at it), so i was wondering if i could bug you for a bit more details:

few quick questions,

what was your teaching credentials before you came? my partner is coming over from the UK with a certificate in education (and a masters in economics), and has taught in france as well, and the options are looking pretty terrible. MELS told us that he would need to start his studies over. but then, i've been told that you can scrounge together a job in the private sector and then get "due process" after a year or three of experience in quebec to get the permis d'enseignement? ever heard of this?

any tips would be amazingly helpful, already you have done quite a bit.

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Just some info from today's Toronto Star relative to elementary school teachers who are presently negotiating a new contract.

"The province's offer would see the top-earning elementary teacher at $94,000 a year at the end of the four years. Clegg said while the salary offer is acceptable, his members want more money in the system for smaller class sizes in the upper elementary grades, more specialist teachers and guidance counsellors, combined with increased preparation time and less supervision time. In all, up to 8,000 more teaching jobs would be created at a time of declining enrolment".

I must admit the salary seems somewhat high but from what I glean from othe sources, it's true and this is for an undergraduate?
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