dbd33

No doubt. Caged animal "hunts" are even worse. However, there's a case to be made that the reason some species are able to survive is that they are hunted. It's the hunters who want elk, for example, running free in large numbers, ranchers would just as soon stamp them out so it may be that the loss of a few animals to hunting benefits the species overall.

I don't want to argue this too strongly as disagreeing with a shrill veggie woman might endanger my status as a Guardinista.

sinope

It is deeply hypocritical to disapprove of blood sports in one country, emigrate to another country and participate in blood sports. It is all killing fluffy animals for fun whether you do it from horseback, pickup or on foot and whether your weapon is a rifle, crossbow or hound pack.

dbd33

Perhaps he could hunt raccoons or beavers, then it wouldn't just be for fun but to remove pests.

sinope

rae

no sorry its not. by very definition i don't like the term blood sport. killing for the sake of it is wrong and certainly isn't sport as the odds are so stacked against the animal.
hunting is exactly that. again by definition you alone are tracking an animal with intent to eat it and use other parts from it once you catch it. telescopic sights are necessary for a humane and accurate kill and to prevent background accidents.
there is a difference and this centres on means employed and motive. you simply cannot compare some toff with 50 hounds, 12 horses and a dozen half wits on quad's, chasing a single animal to impress Daphne, to a person alone, looking for their supper.

Sutherlands

Well the way I look at it ......


Killing an animal for food is ok.......

Killing to keep population numbers down....only if done humanly

Killing for fun ....not

Killing to ware....not

hot wasabi peas

:scared:

My time is up! ( Unless I can borrow some of your clothes. )

dbd33

It's not so simple as all that.

Is eating veal or Foie gras ok ?

Is keeping PMU mares, Tennessee Walking Horses or circus bears alive more cruel than killing them ?

What's a humane killing, captive bolt or only chemical euthanasia ?

So long as we're going to kill the seals anyway why not wear their fur and sell whacking tours ?

I don't think animal welfare is a topic that lends itself to peta type ranting though I'm all in favour of naked protests by the well endowed.

London7

and your point is.........................................
whats your definetion os animal huggng namby pamby?
just because i refuse to participate in blood sports, there is something wrong with me?
strange views you have.....................

gopher

as strange as you feeling the need to call somebody inadequate because they happen to participate in a legal pastime that you do not agree with??

gopher

there are some valid issues here (although i wouldnt be in favour of any man no matter how well endowed they were protesting naked )

if we say that it is cruel to not allow an animal to exhibit its natural behaviour then who is more cruel - the man who hunts and uses his labrador to retrieve game or the man who only lets the dog out to exercise??
the man who keeps battery chickens or the man who breeds and fights gamefowl ??
i would never advocate or want to be involved in dog fighting but is a bull terrier dying doing something it is genetically programmed to do more cruel than keeping it chained up in the yard ??
yet a hunter , cockfighter( there is no way of saying it without inviting double entendre )or dog fighter are all considered cruel... maybe it is because there is generally a death at the end of it??? this is getting way too philosophical now
personally i think we should consider more the life and means of death of the animal rather than simply the fact that it dies

dbd33

This was the protestor I had in mind, a typical Canadian woman:

http://www.thesuperficial.com/2006/0...ares_skin.html

Atlantic Xpat

My definition would be pretty much someone who links teaching kids the responsibilities of hunting with the increase of violence in society. Alas and alack I fear the increase of violence in society could be linked to violent films/tv/computer games far easier than the participation of children in hunting. I could generalise by talking about city folk vs rural folk etc etc. But I wont.

Hunting is a more popular and widespread sport in Canada than in UK. A factor of history, population and available land smongst other things. It's a very 'UK' view imho to come here and start talking about how evil it all is. You don't have to participate in 'blood sports' but you don't have to be quite so anti either do you? For any kind of record I haven't participated in hunting in Canada so far apart from eating parts of the moose that my wife's family killed last year. It was very tasty.

gopher

ah , dear old pammy , i think there could be a new definition of cruelty if my wife notices me looking at that page for too long

Alberta_Rose

For some strange reason, veal is the only thing I don't eat for concientious objector reasons. ..... although I do think it is very tasty!

Personally I don't think I could ever bring myself to shoot anything, but I have been known to catch, kill and gut fish! I know, I'm a bad person.

I'll eat most other creatures that somebody else has killed.

As I think I have said before on here, the only hunting and shooting that I'd find fun would be with a camera.