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Souvy Jan 25th 2013 6:40 am

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Originally Posted by Steve_ (Post 10505638)
Depends on what you're buying, I do buy stuff occasionally from Amazon Canada but usually I find it is cheaper to go to the store. Certainly faster. I think the most recent example was when I bought a camera.

Also something else about Canada - I always find it is better to stick to Canadian chains rather than American ones, with rare exceptions (usually ones that have been around for ages like Home Depot). Prices at Visions and Soundsaround imx for example are far lower than at Best Buy. Strangely Future Shop prices seem to be lower than Best Buy as well even though they're owned by Best Buy.

If memory serves, Future Shop staff are on commission and Best Buy staff are salaried. That may have something to do with it, for some reason I can't quite think of at the moment.

Steve_ Jan 25th 2013 6:42 am

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Originally Posted by CanadaJimmy (Post 10505670)
I'm with Jsmth321, I would much rather have a USPS style mail service in Canada. It's not just the public/private issue either, Canada Post's workers get great benefits and paid very high salaries for what they do and the little hours they work. Seems like they get all the benefits of a public company without actually being publicly controlled.

USPS is $15 billion in debt. One of the more sensible things about Canada is that they don't use the USPS model and abandoned it back in the 1970s.

When you look at that debt level you begin to see the competitive advantage on-line companies in the US have compared to Canada.

Read this article: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43259512...ng-out-options

Oink Jan 25th 2013 6:46 am

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Originally Posted by Steve_ (Post 10505680)
Everyone always goes on about the negatives though, I assume because they notice them more.

What about GST only being 5%, compared to VAT being 20% (I realize it is higher in other provinces but nowhere near 20%)?
What about car registration fees, it's only $70 per year in Alberta.
What about the price of gasoline?
Lower income taxes and much lower payroll taxes (maximum class 1 ni is like $6,700 vs $3,100 for cpp/ei - and the employer contributions are staggeringly higher in the UK).
Lower house prices (okay maybe not as noticeable in Vancouver).

It's a pretty long list. Just the GST difference alone easily takes care of my higher car insurance bill and then some.

When I lived in Oregon there was no GST, PST or VAT or anything like that. Car registration was $34. Petrol was a lot lower, my motor bike insurance was $70 a year, and car was $400, my concealed handgun license was only $40, I didn't have to pay state income tax and if you got it on special, beer was $3.00 for a six pack and the place was still a shit-hole.

Steve_ Jan 25th 2013 6:56 am

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So you decided to pay top dollar and live in a premium shithole instead. :lol:

BristolUK Jan 25th 2013 7:02 am

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Originally Posted by Steve_ (Post 10505638)
Depends on what you're buying

Definitely!

It's certainly worth checking, as you obviously do, rather than mistaken assumptions and, as you say, there are often exceptions.

On a general note, I'm surprised so many posters seem to know about all these shipping companies. :confused: Unless they are using them to send stuff rather than receive.

It's just not a consideration for me for receiving things.

Does anyone make a personal purchase from one trader rather than another based on which shipping co. is used?

Zoe Bell Jan 25th 2013 7:14 am

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yes because if it is shipped via UPS then they hit you for massive admin charges if you have to pay import duty.

2 buck tax turns into 40 if you are not careful

JimandBettina Jan 25th 2013 7:37 am

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Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 10505326)
Yet people still choose to move here :rofl:
Crap banking, no competition for mobile phones, crap internet shopping, expensive food prices, outrageous car insurance, expensive booze with no competition, less than ideal education standards, expensive rents for housing, really outrageous air fare prices and etc etc etc
So one has to ask why are you coming here:confused:

Mate,

Are you asking me this question or throwing it out rhetorically? I am not complaining about anything but pointing out that Amazon in Canada is crap compared to the UK. I have bought many things off the UK site, whether that be books, electronics, cameras and so on that are not even on the Canada site and received all items very quickly.

This was merely an observation based on trying to find stuff to no avail that wold have definitely been on the UK site.

My bank has been great to me.

Mobile Phone charges are ridiculous compared to UK.

Food prices are the same as UK if you look around.

Car Insurance is a f*****g rip-off.

The booze is OK and some of the beers are great, like Creemore, Alexander Keiths.

The local school has been great to my daughter and taken her on in Grade 10 even though she is 14, as she has already completed Grade 9 in UK.

Cheers,
Jim

JimandBettina Jan 25th 2013 7:40 am

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Originally Posted by Steve_ (Post 10505432)
That was the case but it has changed in the last few years.

Cell phone charges are ridiculously expensive. Why do you pay for incoming calls? Where is the unlimited internet (data) packages or unlimited texts.

I was recently using a simcard in the UK with 250 voice minutes, charged by the second, unlimited data and texts - all for £10 per month. You will never get that kind of service here - yet.

Oink Jan 25th 2013 7:43 am

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Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 10505326)
Yet people still choose to move here :rofl:
Crap banking, no competition for mobile phones, crap internet shopping, expensive food prices, outrageous car insurance, expensive booze with no competition, less than ideal education standards, expensive rents for housing, really outrageous air fare prices and etc etc etc
So one has to ask why are you coming here:confused:

+1

Put on a coat and some mittens and go out and live life. :thumbup:

Zoe Bell Jan 25th 2013 7:47 am

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Originally Posted by Oink (Post 10505823)
+1

Put on a coat and some mittens and go out and live life. :thumbup:

but coats are sooo expensive and unfashionable here;)

CanadaJimmy Jan 25th 2013 7:47 am

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Originally Posted by Steve_ (Post 10505689)
USPS is $15 billion in debt.

A big part of that is not because USPS doesn't work, but rather because they are required to pre-pay retirement benefits. It's not fair to compare based on those numbers alone.

http://www.ehow.com/facts_7257462_us...benefits_.html

BristolUK Jan 25th 2013 8:03 am

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Originally Posted by Zoe Bell (Post 10505762)
yes because if it is shipped via UPS then they hit you for massive admin charges if you have to pay import duty.

Maybe that accounts for the comparatively big difference I saw on something a few days ago. But what made me disregard that option was the overall cost rather than because it was UPS delivered.

If I paid more attention, I might see use of UPS as the reason but I am making my choice on overall cost.

A few years before I moved here I remember ordering a bunch of CDs from the US that even with cross Atlantic shipping rates the overall cost was half what they'd have cost me in the UK.

What I was getting at was whether someone making a personal purchase would make their decision based on UPS involvement (in principle if you like) when, if they looked into the overall cost, they might find it was still cheaper because of the lower base price to begin with.

BristolUK Jan 25th 2013 8:09 am

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Originally Posted by JimandBettina (Post 10505814)
Cell phone charges are ridiculously expensive. Why do you pay for incoming calls?

I might be missing your point but I used to resent the additional cost to me of calling a mobile number in the UK compared to a land line.

It didn't seem right that someone else's decision to be called on their mobile should cost me more.

So it doesn't seem unreasonable to me for the person making the decision to have a mobile/cell phone to pay the extra cost of the call made to it.

Almost Canadian Jan 25th 2013 8:19 am

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Originally Posted by JimandBettina (Post 10505807)
Mate,

Are you asking me this question or throwing it out rhetorically? I am not complaining about anything but pointing out that Amazon in Canada is crap compared to the UK. I have bought many things off the UK site, whether that be books, electronics, cameras and so on that are not even on the Canada site and received all items very quickly.

This was merely an observation based on trying to find stuff to no avail that wold have definitely been on the UK site.

My bank has been great to me.

Mobile Phone charges are ridiculous compared to UK.

Food prices are the same as UK if you look around.

Car Insurance is a f*****g rip-off.

The booze is OK and some of the beers are great, like Creemore, Alexander Keiths.

The local school has been great to my daughter and taken her on in Grade 10 even though she is 14, as she has already completed Grade 9 in UK.

Cheers,
Jim

You are not in the UK

nativenewyorker Jan 25th 2013 9:02 am

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We order from amazon uk. They charge for shipping but take the VAT off so doesn't work out too bad. Gets delivered quick too.

Former Lancastrian Jan 25th 2013 9:06 am

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Originally Posted by nativenewyorker (Post 10506021)
We order from amazon uk. They charge for shipping but take the VAT off so doesn't work out too bad. Gets delivered quick too.

What is that people are ordering from Amazon.UK that they cant get here?
Is it something they really need? Is there a Canadian equivalent?

Oink Jan 25th 2013 9:08 am

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Originally Posted by nativenewyorker (Post 10506021)
We order from amazon uk. They charge for shipping but take the VAT off so doesn't work out too bad. Gets delivered quick too.

If you order stuff from another country get the seller to put 'gift' on the customs ticket then you don't have to pay the sponging Canadian government their extortion money.

Former Lancastrian Jan 25th 2013 9:10 am

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Originally Posted by Oink (Post 10506031)
If you order stuff from another country get the seller to put 'gift' on the customs ticket then you don't have to pay the sponging Canadian government their extortion money.

The receipt attached saying they paid 20 quid for the item is sometimes a giveaway:rofl:

Alan2005 Jan 25th 2013 9:33 am

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ITT: Apologists for 'the way it is'.

JimandBettina Jan 25th 2013 10:19 am

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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 10505915)
You are not in the UK

I know (??????). Your point is?

PS: where in my post did I say I was in the UK?

JimandBettina Jan 25th 2013 10:25 am

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Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 10505895)
I might be missing your point but I used to resent the additional cost to me of calling a mobile number in the UK compared to a land line.

It didn't seem right that someone else's decision to be called on their mobile should cost me more.

So it doesn't seem unreasonable to me for the person making the decision to have a mobile/cell phone to pay the extra cost of the call made to it.

You are missing the point. If someone calls me and I pick up, both parties pay. Why should I pay to receive a call from someone I may not want to speak to.

Your second point is understandable but most contracts now ave a flat rate to all outside of your network or flat ate for all calls. In fact most contracts have mega-minute free calls to alll networks.

BristolUK Jan 25th 2013 11:20 am

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Originally Posted by JimandBettina (Post 10506142)
If someone calls me and I pick up, both parties pay. Why should I pay to receive a call from someone I may not want to speak to.
Your second point is understandable

I only made one point...I wasn't talking about the cost of the call and whoever bore it, my point was about the additional cost, over and above the cost of a normal call.

I don't have a cell phone and never had one in the UK.

But I was aware that if I called someone's cell phone instead of a land line it cost me more when it was they that chose what phone they wanted me to call.

Someone else's choice doesn't cost me extra over here.

I can sympathise with an unwanted call resulting in a charge, but presumably that was something you took into account in your decision. :unsure:

Presumably you can put your cell on the do not call list? That made a big difference in unwanted calls here. :thumbup:

Almost Canadian Jan 25th 2013 11:32 am

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Originally Posted by JimandBettina (Post 10506133)
I know (??????). Your point is?

PS: where in my post did I say I was in the UK?


It is irrelevant how things operate in the UK. You may as well compare how such things operate on the moon. I suggest you get used to how things operate here; it's how things are done. Bitching about it will not change things.

Oink Jan 25th 2013 11:37 am

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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 10506235)
It is irrelevant how things operate in the UK. You may as well compare how such things operate on the moon. I suggest you get used to how things operate here; it's how things are done. Bitching about it will not change things.

Where would you be with an attitude like that? Oh yeah you're already in Canada. ;)

JimandBettina Jan 25th 2013 12:27 pm

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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 10506235)
It is irrelevant how things operate in the UK. You may as well compare how such things operate on the moon. I suggest you get used to how things operate here; it's how things are done. Bitching about it will not change things.

OK - WTF in my posts am I bitching about? Get off your high horse mate.

Once again I will state - I am merely pointing out facts that may interest those thinking of coming over here.

ENDEX

james.mc Jan 25th 2013 11:30 pm

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Here we are on a British Ex-Pats forum. How dare someone compare Amazon UK with Amazon.ca :eek:

Forum members like JimandBettina move (or have moved) from the UK to Canada. They are bound to make comparisons between the two countries. What's wrong with that?

MillieF Jan 26th 2013 12:59 am

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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 10506235)
It is irrelevant how things operate in the UK. You may as well compare how such things operate on the moon. I suggest you get used to how things operate here; it's how things are done. Bitching about it will not change things.

They wern't bitching. Is questioning unacceptable? Do we all have to sit back like some form of Stepford zombie and say 'it's how things are done'. They probably did that before women got the vote, before we at least had a stab at stopping slavery and stopped, in parts of the world, sending kids down mines.

Almost Canadian Jan 26th 2013 1:20 am

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Originally Posted by james.mc (Post 10506792)
Here we are on a British Ex-Pats forum. How dare someone compare Amazon UK with Amazon.ca :eek:

Forum members like JimandBettina move (or have moved) from the UK to Canada. They are bound to make comparisons between the two countries. What's wrong with that?

I didn't say there was anything wrong with it but comparing everything in Canada to how it's done in the UK is, IMHO, a recipe for disaster.


Originally Posted by MillieF (Post 10506863)
They wern't bitching. Is questioning unacceptable? Do we all have to sit back like some form of Stepford zombie and say 'it's how things are done'. They probably did that before women got the vote, before we at least had a stab at stopping slavery and stopped, in parts of the world, sending kids down mines.

You are quite correct. Canadians will, of course, accept everything we tell them without thinking to themselves "If life was so much better back home, why don't you go back?" It's the perfect way to win friends and influence people.


Originally Posted by Oink (Post 10506242)
Where would you be with an attitude like that? Oh yeah you're already in Canada. ;)

I am a realist


Originally Posted by JimandBettina (Post 10506301)
OK - WTF in my posts am I bitching about? Get off your high horse mate.

Once again I will state - I am merely pointing out facts that may interest those thinking of coming over here.

ENDEX

I suggest you re-read what you posted when I first replied. You were bitching.

No high horse. I posted that you were no longer in the UK and you couldn't appear to understand why I said that. Will you also advocate for driving on the left, after all, that's how it's done in the UK?

JimandBettina Jan 26th 2013 2:08 am

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Mate,

As I said before - wind your neck in.

During the last 3 years I have lived for the most part in Kuwait, then Germany and the UK for only 4 months. I have moved house house 13 times in 20 years because of my job, have been shot in the face, had skin cancer misdiagnosed for 1 year and am in a current battle with the UK Govt to reclaim some money they overcharged me in tax. Why the f**k would I whinge (I am not going to use the word bitch as it sounds 'merican) about shite like online shopping?

This is me popping smoke from this thread.

Oh btw I am Canadian.

Thankyou very much for the support from those who understand why I posted what I did.

Shard Jan 26th 2013 3:13 am

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Originally Posted by JimandBettina (Post 10506914)
Mate,

As I said before - wind your neck in.

During the last 3 years I have lived for the most part in Kuwait, then Germany and the UK for only 4 months. I have moved house house 13 times in 20 years because of my job, have been shot in the face, had skin cancer misdiagnosed for 1 year and am in a current battle with the UK Govt to reclaim some money they overcharged me in tax. Why the f**k would I whinge (I am not going to use the word bitch as it sounds 'merican) about shite like online shopping?

This is me popping smoke from this thread.

Oh btw I am Canadian.

Thankyou very much for the support from those who understand why I posted what I did.

As the late Michael Winner might have said, calm dow, it's only a forum.

You made a valid point about phones. AC gave his opinion about comparing things to back home. No need to get hyped up. Especially after what you've been through ;)

orly Jan 26th 2013 6:24 am

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The old "why does XYZ cost this much here compared to such and such a place".

Always a joy.

Oink Jan 26th 2013 6:59 am

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Originally Posted by orly (Post 10507196)
The old "why does XYZ cost this much here compared to such and such a place".

Always a joy.

Oh come on. Trying to buy stuff online here is simply a frustrating, dispiriting and expensive exercise.

orly Jan 26th 2013 7:03 am

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Originally Posted by Oink (Post 10507235)
Oh come on. Trying to buy stuff online here is simply a frustrating, dispiriting and expensive exercise.

I've never really had to buy anything online here yet but my wife does sometimes and it's not particularly troublesome. The hardest part is usually having to play tag with the delivery man who arrives to find our mailbox is actually about a mile away at the library...and then he gets there to find it's just a standard size Canada Post mailbox not really big enough for anything larger than a letter :D

BristolUK Jan 26th 2013 8:11 am

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Originally Posted by orly (Post 10507196)
The old "why does XYZ cost this much here compared to such and such a place".

With the reverse being true sometimes as well as the other differing experiences, so the thread actually serves a useful purpose after all. :)

MillieF Jan 26th 2013 2:26 pm

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Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 10507331)
With the reverse being true sometimes as well as the other differing experiences, so the thread actually serves a useful purpose after all. :)

With thanks and + 1

cjones Jan 26th 2013 7:45 pm

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Originally Posted by JimandBettina (Post 10506914)
Mate,

As I said before - wind your neck in.

During the last 3 years I have lived for the most part in Kuwait, then Germany and the UK for only 4 months. I have moved house house 13 times in 20 years because of my job, have been shot in the face, had skin cancer misdiagnosed for 1 year and am in a current battle with the UK Govt to reclaim some money they overcharged me in tax. Why the f**k would I whinge (I am not going to use the word bitch as it sounds 'merican) about shite like online shopping?

This is me popping smoke from this thread.

Oh btw I am Canadian.

Thankyou very much for the support from those who understand why I posted what I did.

If a man who can take being shot in the face can get wound up by Amazon.ca I think it's only fair to say the service is probably not all it could be.

BristolUK Jan 27th 2013 7:14 am

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Originally Posted by cjones (Post 10507926)
If a man who can take being shot in the face can get wound up by Amazon.ca I think it's only fair to say the service is probably not all it could be.

I don't recall Frank Serpico complaining about it. :rofl:

Shard Jan 27th 2013 7:25 am

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Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 10508814)
I don't recall Frank Serpico complaining about it. :rofl:

Frank Serpico used Amazon ?

;)

BristolUK Jan 27th 2013 8:31 am

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Originally Posted by Shard (Post 10508827)
Frank Serpico used Amazon ?

;)

Yes. It's a little known fact that when he was connected up to the machines in hospital he was able to access an early version of the internet, but they didn't want ordinary people to know and it was cut out of the movie. ;)

JimandBettina Jan 27th 2013 1:22 pm

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..... and the first words he said was ....... 'Amazon is shit in Canada! ..... Arrrggghhh, I need to go ack to sleep now"


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