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Am I over-judging Canada?

Old Jan 23rd 2018, 6:25 pm
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Originally Posted by Novocastrian View Post
Out of curiosity, how much are U of T paying you as a postdoc?
you asked the OP this on another thread a while back

(apparently $45k, after some negotiation)
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Old Jan 23rd 2018, 6:44 pm
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Originally Posted by Danny B View Post
It has always confused me why someone would want to leave one perfectly good fantastic city for another fantastic city and gain nothing in return.

Personally I think us Brits are spoilt, most of us emigrated from fairly decent areas in the UK and are upset that Canada is 15 years behind the times when compared to the UK. We either need to stop comparing, get used to it, or move back.

Most new immigrants to Canada are not as fortunate as us yet they are thankful they have moved to a country with decent infrastructure, health care and the ability to work.

Every time I meet up with my Wife's side of the family it really grounds me. Hardworking Filipino's that were dentists, engineers, teachers etc back in the Philippines now working in fast food restaurants.

Do they complain about? absolutely they do, but not about the price of a PAYG sim card or travel pass. They are so much happier with their new life they overlook the small things and concentrate their efforts on getting their skills converted to Canadian standards so they can get better jobs.

Can you imagine a UK family emigrating to Vancouver and working in Dairy Queen while they go to school at night? It just wouldn't happen.

I think Brits that complain about Canada in the usual way, didn't make the move here for the right reasons. We all know Canada is behind in the ways that some have pointed out....and many of us knew this before we came, but we don't mind as we came here for other reasons, and we are determined to make it a success.

I have struggled to find re-employment here since I was laid off last year... (the hiring process here is ridiculous) but I still don't want to move back, I prefer living here and its advantages outweigh the disadvantages because I feel I moved for the right reasons. But we look at things differerently and have differing priorities.

Cheese is a bit expensive though....
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Old Jan 23rd 2018, 6:48 pm
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Originally Posted by Novocastrian View Post
That wasn't Toronto, it was Mel Lastman.

Yes but as Mayor he represented Toronto and Toronto didn't ridicule his decision, it was the rest of the country that ridiculed Toronto.....from what I am told by many.
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Old Jan 23rd 2018, 7:38 pm
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Originally Posted by Paul_Shepherd View Post
I think Brits that complain about Canada in the usual way, didn't make the move here for the right reasons. We all know Canada is behind in the ways that some have pointed out....and many of us knew this before we came, but we don't mind as we came here for other reasons, and we are determined to make it a success.

I have struggled to find re-employment here since I was laid off last year... (the hiring process here is ridiculous) but I still don't want to move back, I prefer living here and its advantages outweigh the disadvantages because I feel I moved for the right reasons. But we look at things differerently and have differing priorities.

Cheese is a bit expensive though....
Hey Paul, sorry to hear that you are struggling to find work, would you consider relocating to another area of Canada if the right job came up? This isn't a job offer BTW, just curious

I'm like you, I would rather stay in Canada and find any work instead of moving back to the UK.

Yes I completely agree, when you move to another country, it has to be for the right reasons otherwise you will never be truly happy....especially when it comes to the cheese, tea bags and TV
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Old Jan 23rd 2018, 7:41 pm
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Cheese is a bit expensive though....
Is it? Nobody said.
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Old Jan 23rd 2018, 9:50 pm
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Originally Posted by bgpz View Post
you asked the OP this on another thread a while back

(apparently $45k, after some negotiation)
So I did. I'll therefore repeat that $45k is a shitty postdoc salary in 2018.

I paid my first postdoc exactly that amount when I came back to Canada in 1993 .

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Old Jan 23rd 2018, 9:55 pm
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Old Jan 23rd 2018, 9:58 pm
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Originally Posted by Danny B View Post
Hey Paul, sorry to hear that you are struggling to find work, would you consider relocating to another area of Canada if the right job came up? This isn't a job offer BTW, just curious

I'm like you, I would rather stay in Canada and find any work instead of moving back to the UK.

Yes I completely agree, when you move to another country, it has to be for the right reasons otherwise you will never be truly happy....especially when it comes to the cheese, tea bags and TV

As soon as I lost my job I think it was a given that I knew I would have to relocate, Peterborough other than being on the edge of beautiful and real Canadian wilderness, which is its one plus point, the place is a ghost town, there has been no effort by Peterborough city hall to bring new work or encourage new industry or business here, so unless I chose to do something else I have to relocate, but its something I have been looking into so I can stay.

When I say relocate, I am only talking with a 300km radius of where I currently am, as I have an established network of friends here now, and as I am single with no family, my friends are very important to me, so I would like to stay in touch with them by coming back most weekends or every other weekend. That radius does take in Toronto the other side of Toronto and Ottawa too, so you would think I would be able to find something in that area, but its proving very difficult, I put it down to my age and the industry I work in, both past their prime! lol.

As tough as it is I still have no desire to move back to the UK, despite what friends in the UK say to me...."well you may have to move back then" no me moving to Canada wasn't on a whim or doing it becuase its something to do, I did it for calculated reasons....I love what this country offered, I fit in better here than the country of my birth, I have never cared about how Canada is behind the UK on some things, Ive embraced all of it...the good and the bad...even the ugly! and the reasons why I made the move are still there, its my home and I want to remain here.

Of course there is a limit though, you have to be reasonable about it, where ever you live it is about quality of life, if I can't get work in my trained field and try do something else to earn a living, but its not providing me with the quality of life I want.....then maybe then I would consider a move back to the UK....however even then it would be a reluctant one, when I moved here I put 110% into adjusting to Canadian life and culture warts an all, and I suceeded, because I wanted to move and live here, I also made it a priority to become a Canadian citizen.

To move from here back to the UK would be a very sad day for me. Even cheap cheese and great TV wouldn't swing it for me....

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Old Jan 23rd 2018, 10:14 pm
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Originally Posted by Novocastrian View Post
So I did. I'll therefore repeat that $45k is a shitty postdoc salary in 2018.

I paid my first postdoc exactly that amount when I came back to Canada in 1993 .
I agree....I am very shocked that $45k is all that is offered for that level of education. Sadly it seems to be the sign of the times now.
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Old Jan 23rd 2018, 10:22 pm
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Originally Posted by Novocastrian View Post
So I did. I'll therefore repeat that $45k is a shitty postdoc salary in 2018.

I paid my first postdoc exactly that amount when I came back to Canada in 1993 .
Bloody hell! I was making close to that as a medical secretary in Burlington 13 years ago when we left Canada.
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Originally Posted by Paul_Shepherd View Post
I think Brits that complain about Canada in the usual way, didn't make the move here for the right reasons. We all know Canada is behind in the ways that some have pointed out....and many of us knew this before we came, but we don't mind as we came here for other reasons, and we are determined to make it a success.

I have struggled to find re-employment here since I was laid off last year... (the hiring process here is ridiculous) but I still don't want to move back, I prefer living here and its advantages outweigh the disadvantages because I feel I moved for the right reasons. But we look at things differerently and have differing priorities.

Cheese is a bit expensive though....


Please can someone expand on the ways in which Canada is behind the UK?
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Old Jan 23rd 2018, 11:10 pm
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[QUOTE=Talya88;12425998]Please can someone expand on the ways in which Canada is behind the UK?[/QUOTE]


I think I've been here far too long (over 50 years since I left the UK) .......

but I have never understood this comment / complaint that is made regularly on this forum by more recent arrivals.

One is moving to another country, not to a continuation of the UK, so things are going to be different from what people are used to.

it is also a much bigger country, with a much smaller population, so many things such as transit will not be as "convenient" or "frequent".
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Originally Posted by Paul_Shepherd View Post
Yes but as Mayor he represented Toronto and Toronto didn't ridicule his decision, it was the rest of the country that ridiculed Toronto.....from what I am told by many.
Only recently a Toronto friend said "I've never been so embarrassed in my life" when talking about this.
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Old Jan 23rd 2018, 11:35 pm
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Please can someone expand on the ways in which Canada is behind the UK?
Not enough roundabouts.

Other than that, there's a reason I live in Saskatoon and not Toronto.
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Not enough roundabouts.

Other than that, there's a reason I live in Saskatoon and not Toronto.
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