Advice for a Canadian moving to England?
Apr 9th 2010, 8:03 pm
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Apr 9th 2010, 11:16 pm
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Re: Advice for a Canadian moving to England?
Not trusting statistics is silly - you might as well not trust arithmetic. You can say the data collection is flawed or what is being measured is flawed (for instance I don't trust inflation statistics because the basket of goods used doesn't reflect what people actually spend)
Apr 9th 2010, 11:19 pm
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Re: Advice for a Canadian moving to England?
mmm i think thats a fine hair split depending on how you read what was said. i'm not bothered personally, i just find it a bit rich if you cry foul elsewhere then do the same yourself. one or'tother.
Apr 10th 2010, 12:14 am
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Re: Advice for a Canadian moving to England?
so you agree then that stats cannot be trusted as they can be flawed. thats basically what you are saying, just in little bits, adds up to the same thing really in the end. you don't trust inflation stats, i don't trust crime stats. i can't see an issue. apart from you seem to be able to not trust certain stats and i can't. and around and around.
I do not trust inflation because it does not measure the increase in the money supply which in my view is real inflation. I do trust that the number is accurately measuring what they say it is, but that the number is mis-used.
Your mistrust of the BCS data is based on your own opinion and conjecture; so far I have seen from you:-
i) They don't measure crimes not reported to the police - False.
ii) People who don't report crimes to the police can't be arsed to report them to the BCS survey - False.
I should also point out that a margin of error is not a flaw. Every measurement ever of anything has a margin of error.
Apr 11th 2010, 1:40 am
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Re: Advice for a Canadian moving to England?
No rae, it is acceptable to not trust stats based on what they are measuring or the way the data is collected. It is not acceptible to not trust them based on your own world view.
I do not trust inflation because it does not measure the increase in the money supply which in my view is real inflation. I do trust that the number is accurately measuring what they say it is, but that the number is mis-used.
Your mistrust of the BCS data is based on your own opinion and conjecture; so far I have seen from you:-
i) They don't measure crimes not reported to the police - False.
ii) People who don't report crimes to the police can't be arsed to report them to the BCS survey - False.
I should also point out that a margin of error is not a flaw. Every measurement ever of anything has a margin of error.
I do not trust inflation because it does not measure the increase in the money supply which in my view is real inflation. I do trust that the number is accurately measuring what they say it is, but that the number is mis-used.
Your mistrust of the BCS data is based on your own opinion and conjecture; so far I have seen from you:-
i) They don't measure crimes not reported to the police - False.
ii) People who don't report crimes to the police can't be arsed to report them to the BCS survey - False.
I should also point out that a margin of error is not a flaw. Every measurement ever of anything has a margin of error.
Apr 11th 2010, 3:49 am
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Re: Advice for a Canadian moving to England?
you see this is the problem with your arguments alan, basically everyone else is wrong and you are right. i can't be bothered picking through your points yet again where you have misquoted me, i've done it a few times now and you just gloss over it. it just always comes back to the first sentence here.
If you can explain why the BCS survey value is wrong and provide some evidence (opinion is not evidence) then fine. It's no skin off my nose if the survey is wrong or flawed and if you can come up with something that isn't pure conjecture on your part then I will readily change my mind. I don't think you will, because I don't think you can.
