Advice for a Canadian moving to England?
Apr 8th 2010, 7:48 pm
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Apr 8th 2010, 10:21 pm
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Re: Advice for a Canadian moving to England?
Well the country in general has many wide open spaces. The crowded bit will generally be around the cities which is the same the world over.
At the moment i'm sitting ~5 miles from the city of London and ~5 miles from a large expanse of open spaced countryside.
Some people tend to make out that the UK has a population density over the entire land whereby people live shoulder to shoulder with no open space at all, and crime galore.
It's a shame these people must have lived blinkered through their lives in the UK.
At the moment i'm sitting ~5 miles from the city of London and ~5 miles from a large expanse of open spaced countryside.
Some people tend to make out that the UK has a population density over the entire land whereby people live shoulder to shoulder with no open space at all, and crime galore.
It's a shame these people must have lived blinkered through their lives in the UK.
Apr 8th 2010, 10:58 pm
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Re: Advice for a Canadian moving to England?
[QUOTE=andrewporter;8482286]hello, if you want to meet up sometime, when we come to halifax or if you are ever in mahone bay, as we are thinking of moving to england also, we live in nova scotia now...we can discuss things ..
Send me a PM if you want.
Send me a PM if you want.
Apr 8th 2010, 11:02 pm
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Re: Advice for a Canadian moving to England?
Thanks everyone for your informed opinions! It really did give me a lot to think about and removed some anxiety as well. I'll definitely come back and let you all know what I end up doing.
Great fun watching the debate unfold too.
Great fun watching the debate unfold too.
Apr 8th 2010, 11:31 pm
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Re: Advice for a Canadian moving to England?
Go enjoy it. You will have a blast.
Apr 9th 2010, 12:11 am
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Re: Advice for a Canadian moving to England?
(The fact is you haven't covered my first point - they explicitly state that they don't just speak to people that are victims of crime, and you say otherwise)
i did not say otherwise, this is what i said....." and of course if you never ring the cops and don't fill in the survey know one will ever know. this happens a lot. going to someones home for the first time, then being told they had their car broken into last year in general chat, but never reported it to anyone."
and i admitted i did not put it well hence the second post, i do know what the BCS does thank you.
I will actually pick up on your second point. Stats can be used as a tool to bend public opinion - but they are not, as many people say, lies.
No maybe not, but as i first mentioned with my theft from vehicle story, as near as dammit.
They measure what they measure with a fairly good accuracy. I hadn't up until now actually read about how the BSC go about collecting their data - however it seems reasonable to me, all the data is available for scrutiny and so it's actually stupid (and cynical for the sake of it) to reject everything they say because it doesn't fit in with your own view.
you keep twisting things, i never said i rejected everything they say, i said...."please don't trust BCS or any Home office crime stats, very bent" due to my experience as i have stated. nothing to do with my 'view' simply a factual experience.
Do you also ignore everything that stats canada says? I don't - I tend to think they are quite reliable.
Depends i suppose, one week sugar, salt, coffee, red wine all bad for you cause x number of people have died, got fat, got cancer. next week sugar, salt, coffee, red wine all good for you cause x number of people got slimmer, better hearts, less strokes.
Reminds me of the MMR scandal where the parents all said the vaccine was bad because something was wrong with their kids despite all the evidence to the contrary. Personal experience is great, but you can't let it obscure your view of the wider picture.
i did not say otherwise, this is what i said....." and of course if you never ring the cops and don't fill in the survey know one will ever know. this happens a lot. going to someones home for the first time, then being told they had their car broken into last year in general chat, but never reported it to anyone."
and i admitted i did not put it well hence the second post, i do know what the BCS does thank you.
I will actually pick up on your second point. Stats can be used as a tool to bend public opinion - but they are not, as many people say, lies.
No maybe not, but as i first mentioned with my theft from vehicle story, as near as dammit.
They measure what they measure with a fairly good accuracy. I hadn't up until now actually read about how the BSC go about collecting their data - however it seems reasonable to me, all the data is available for scrutiny and so it's actually stupid (and cynical for the sake of it) to reject everything they say because it doesn't fit in with your own view.
you keep twisting things, i never said i rejected everything they say, i said...."please don't trust BCS or any Home office crime stats, very bent" due to my experience as i have stated. nothing to do with my 'view' simply a factual experience.
Do you also ignore everything that stats canada says? I don't - I tend to think they are quite reliable.
Depends i suppose, one week sugar, salt, coffee, red wine all bad for you cause x number of people have died, got fat, got cancer. next week sugar, salt, coffee, red wine all good for you cause x number of people got slimmer, better hearts, less strokes.
Reminds me of the MMR scandal where the parents all said the vaccine was bad because something was wrong with their kids despite all the evidence to the contrary. Personal experience is great, but you can't let it obscure your view of the wider picture.
Apr 9th 2010, 12:56 am
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Re: Advice for a Canadian moving to England?
strange, i don't remember parents ALL saying the vaccine was bad, quite the contrary. anyway aren't you are saying you do not trust one persons experience/opinion???? you do realise you are contradicting yourself i take it. i wonder sometimes you know if you actually believe what you write. seems sometimes you take an opposing view on just about anything just for the sake of it?
Ok, you are confusing me because your car theft example has no meaning. as far as the BCS is concerned it doesn't matter whether the police were involved or not - so please can we ignore this aspect. For the sake of argument forget about the police for a moment.
Right, I'm not exactly sure how the BCS do their survey - but I assume they either contact directly or by post a random cross section of UK residents. These may or may not have been a victim of crime (they may or may not have reported it to the police - but we don't care about that right now). Now of those sampled a percentage are not going to want to do the survey because they don't have time, can't be arsed or whatever. Now their views are not going to get counted - but I assume that the BCS plan for this and make sure their sample size is big enough for that not to matter.
Now I'm also assuming you are arguing from a point that the BCS under reports crime rather than just has a margin of error (which is implicit in all surveys unless you ask everybody). The only way that the BCS can be under reporting constantly is for those that have been a victim of crime to be more likely not to do the survey than those that have not. I find this unlikely: i.e if they survey 10,000 people and only 9000 reply then the chances of somebody in the non-responding 1000 being a victim is probably going to be the same as one of the 9000 who did respond.
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Apr 9th 2010, 1:12 am
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Re: Advice for a Canadian moving to England?
I will also be in Lancaster /Morecambe (old man lives there) and will be around the lake district.
But i will also be in manchester
Apr 9th 2010, 4:30 am
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Re: Advice for a Canadian moving to England?
I love that area of the UK and Derbyshire and the Peak District. I'm off to blighty on May 15 for 3 weeks. I will def take a drive out that way with my brother - we usually do. Quick pint on the snake pass off through the dales and into York for the day. I've always liked the rural areas of the north west.
I will also be in Lancaster /Morecambe (old man lives there) and will be around the lake district.
But i will also be in manchester
I will also be in Lancaster /Morecambe (old man lives there) and will be around the lake district.
But i will also be in manchester
