Advice for a Canadian moving to England?
#151
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Re: Advice for a Canadian moving to England?
I really don't have anything against hs8 and I hope they realize that none of this is personal - even if the debate gets heated. However if anyone puts forward opinions that have no basis in reality and/or extrapolate their own experience as universal then they should expect to get pulled up on it. This applies to me too as various posters on here can attest
#152
Re: Advice for a Canadian moving to England?
I am guessing this is the kind of thing you are referring to?
"Residents say unruly patrons spill out after closing time and they have complained to the city about the noise, public urination and vomiting."
"when restaurants and bars close, "there's a lot of noise, issues with vandalism and people peeing and vomiting in the doorways.""
"Residents say unruly patrons spill out after closing time and they have complained to the city about the noise, public urination and vomiting."
"when restaurants and bars close, "there's a lot of noise, issues with vandalism and people peeing and vomiting in the doorways.""
#153
Re: Advice for a Canadian moving to England?
please don't trust BCS or any Home office crime stats, very bent. for example, problem with thefts from motor vehicles a few years back. how did the home office deal with, they re-categorized the offence as vehicle interference, which is a summary offence and not recorded. overnight the figures looked fantastic. job done.
#154
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Re: Advice for a Canadian moving to England?
please don't trust BCS or any Home office crime stats, very bent. for example, problem with thefts from motor vehicles a few years back. how did the home office deal with, they re-categorized the offence as vehicle interference, which is a summary offence and not recorded. overnight the figures looked fantastic. job done.
#155
Re: Advice for a Canadian moving to England?
if you do thats a bloody good day well done.
#156
Re: Advice for a Canadian moving to England?
yes it is and yes there are. BSC is good but always put down by the government for obvious reasons. the problem with BSC though is it contacts/ interviews people who declare themselves as victims of crime. If you don't report it, they don't record it. The police figures reflect persons spoken to who wish no further action and refuse to support a prosecution, this is the reason usually given for differences in figures.
#157
Re: Advice for a Canadian moving to England?
with regard to my last i don't think i explained it very well. when the questionnaires are received, if you have not reported it to the cops because of whatever reason, survey goes in the bin too. if however the cops have recorded an event at your address say, no matter what its recorded, whether you chose to fill in the survey directed to you randomly or not. and of course if you never ring the cops and don't fill in the survey know one will ever know. this happens a lot. going to someones home for the first time, then being told they had their car broken into last year in general chat, but never reported it to anyone.
be honest, how many of these survey things does anyone get and actually fill in?
be honest, how many of these survey things does anyone get and actually fill in?
#158
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Re: Advice for a Canadian moving to England?
yes it is and yes there are. BSC is good but always put down by the government for obvious reasons. the problem with BSC though is it contacts/ interviews people who declare themselves as victims of crime. If you don't report it, they don't record it. The police figures reflect persons spoken to who wish no further action and refuse to support a prosecution, this is the reason usually given for differences in figures.
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs08/bcs-faq.pdf
It is important that the survey represents everyone in the country so we need to talk to men and women of all ages and all backgrounds. In this way the results from the BCS reflect the experiences and attitudes of the whole population. We are interested in everyoneās attitudes and concerns about crime, whether or not they have been a victim of crime.
Edit: The fact is, I don't have to defend the survey. I know that I trust that more than the police stats and I trust those a lot more than the experience of one person.
Last edited by Alan2005; Apr 8th 2010 at 4:42 pm.
#159
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Re: Advice for a Canadian moving to England?
you'll be fine, i went back for a week last year and it made me feel like moving back, though part of that i think was just the nostalgia and contact with friends. day to day living here is better, unless every single day you visit churches, museums, countryside, country pubs, seaside, eat fish and chips, eat curry, go clothes shopping, watch 6hrs of TV, listen to 4hrs of radio 2......
if you do thats a bloody good day well done.
if you do thats a bloody good day well done.
As for all the chavs and crime and what-nots............ I must lead a sheltered life but I have not encountered much of either - be it prior to our misguided move, or during my very frequent visits back.
Whereas here in California, where I currently hang my hat, the local nightly news are full of shootings.
YMMV, but no one should be put off moving (back) to the UK by fear of crime. In most countries I suspect location/location/location is everything.
But you cannot beat the culture and diversity of Europe.
Last edited by Elvira; Apr 8th 2010 at 5:05 pm. Reason: countries........ plural
#160
Re: Advice for a Canadian moving to England?
It doesn't just get in touch with people who declare themselves victims of crime otherwise (as I said to hs8) "Have you been a victim of crime" would be 100%. Though I bet they do get in touch with those who've reported crimes as well as that will give them different data.
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs08/bcs-faq.pdf
Sure there is a margin of error, but I bet it's within +/- 3% like most surveys.
Edit: The fact is, I don't have to defend the survey. I know that I trust that more than the police stats and I trust those a lot more than the experience of one person.
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs08/bcs-faq.pdf
Sure there is a margin of error, but I bet it's within +/- 3% like most surveys.
Edit: The fact is, I don't have to defend the survey. I know that I trust that more than the police stats and I trust those a lot more than the experience of one person.
experience of one person no, personal experience generally, yes.
#161
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Re: Advice for a Canadian moving to England?
i think i covered your first point in my second reply. as for the second bit i would not trust any stats ever from whomever, they are simply a tool used to bend public opinion in the direction whatever organization wants it.
experience of one person no, personal experience generally, yes.
experience of one person no, personal experience generally, yes.
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#162
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Re: Advice for a Canadian moving to England?
i think i covered your first point in my second reply. as for the second bit i would not trust any stats ever from whomever, they are simply a tool used to bend public opinion in the direction whatever organization wants it.
experience of one person no, personal experience generally, yes.
experience of one person no, personal experience generally, yes.
I will actually pick up on your second point. Stats can be used as a tool to bend public opinion - but they are not, as many people say, lies. They measure what they measure with a fairly good accuracy. I hadn't up until now actually read about how the BSC go about collecting their data - however it seems reasonable to me, all the data is available for scrutiny and so it's actually stupid (and cynical for the sake of it) to reject everything they say because it doesn't fit in with your own view. Do you also ignore everything that stats canada says? I don't - I tend to think they are quite reliable.
Reminds me of the MMR scandal where the parents all said the vaccine was bad because something was wrong with their kids despite all the evidence to the contrary. Personal experience is great, but you can't let it obscure your view of the wider picture.
#163
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Re: Advice for a Canadian moving to England?
hello, if you want to meet up sometime, when we come to halifax or if you are ever in mahone bay, as we are thinking of moving to england also, we live in nova scotia now...we can discuss things ..
I'm a Canadian possibly moving to England looking for some advice from those who have done the same except the other way round. My partner moved to Canada nearly 5 years ago with his family, we met and had a son together who is nearly 2 now. His family has gone back and he would like to follow.
I'm not "sold" on the move yet. I love it here in NS, I've never been to England and we can't afford for me to even have a visit before moving there permanently. The visa fees and container would be expensive, not to mention the flights for us and the higher housing costs there. I'm prone to seasonal depression and am terrified at the prospect of not seeing a full sunny day from Nov-May. I'll miss the wide open, unpopulated spaces. I'll miss my family. I would love to have an extended visit in the UK, but I'm afraid I won't like living there. I've dreamed of travelling to the UK all my life but when faced with a permanent move I'm balking.
Do you have any advice for me? When you moved to Canada did you have reservations? Should I just take the plunge? It seems like some of you really love it here in Canada. I sure wish my fiance felt the same way. [/QUOTE]
I'm a Canadian possibly moving to England looking for some advice from those who have done the same except the other way round. My partner moved to Canada nearly 5 years ago with his family, we met and had a son together who is nearly 2 now. His family has gone back and he would like to follow.
I'm not "sold" on the move yet. I love it here in NS, I've never been to England and we can't afford for me to even have a visit before moving there permanently. The visa fees and container would be expensive, not to mention the flights for us and the higher housing costs there. I'm prone to seasonal depression and am terrified at the prospect of not seeing a full sunny day from Nov-May. I'll miss the wide open, unpopulated spaces. I'll miss my family. I would love to have an extended visit in the UK, but I'm afraid I won't like living there. I've dreamed of travelling to the UK all my life but when faced with a permanent move I'm balking.
Do you have any advice for me? When you moved to Canada did you have reservations? Should I just take the plunge? It seems like some of you really love it here in Canada. I sure wish my fiance felt the same way. [/QUOTE]
#164
Re: Advice for a Canadian moving to England?
Again, i think you'll be pleasantly surprised at the weather, especially in the southern areas of the country. It isn't all doom and gloom as many weather obsessed brits will make out.
#165
Re: Advice for a Canadian moving to England?
Again, i think you'll be pleasantly surprised at the weather, especially in the southern areas of the country. It isn't all doom and gloom as many weather obsessed brits will make out.