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Old Sep 23rd 2018, 2:06 am
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Originally Posted by Beoz
Correct. Kennett turned the debt riddled basket case Victoria around. Just like Thatcher did with Britain

He had some policies that were unpopular with the people such as getting rid government worker wasters. Always a good move especially when times need changing.

Did great things for Melbourne but neglected the rest of Victoria which was his downfall.
Oh dear, why do you remain a relic of the best forgotten eighties , a time you had no part of? Why maintain such a flawed ideology? Thatcher? Okay we'll start there. Her philosophical stance was that the revenue lost from public bodies would be made up in corporate tax but naturally that proved a delusion, as the privatised companies created off shore tax structures and minimised tax. Hence the great British public lost both ways, paying through the nose for assets that they collectively paid for through tax plus the loss of tax revenue.

In Australia's case, gross value productivity has fallen in electricity by 34 nearly 35% from peak of 00-01 , meaning 14,000 plus workers more than would have been the case if production had remained at 95-96 levels,( or 19% over two decades)
Parasite industries have sprung up as a result in over management, promotions and the like, nothing to do put it that way, with the actual product. Creating private monopolies out of former public owned providers, can have short term benefit but more likely to result in price gouging, with an excessive rate of return and no market exposure.
WE have witnessed this in Australia, where high energy costs impact every area from business to households, worse in our case, as costs have exploded to highest in the world.
Oh yes, your often expressed attempt at redemption by calling the sacking of government workers as a step in the great march forward of neoliberal economic theory. Fact being, many are called back to work as consultants, for a shed load money. At greater cost over time. But you've been informed of all of this before. Odd, not a little, how difficult for some to shed proven flawed belief, but hark back to 'old times'.

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Well colour me surprised.
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Oh dear, why do you remain a relic of the best forgotten eighties , a time you had no part of? Why maintain such a flawed ideology? Thatcher? Okay we'll start there. Her philosophical stance was that the revenue lost from public bodies would be made up in corporate tax but naturally that proved a delusion, as the privatised companies created off shore tax structures and minimised tax. Hence the great British public lost both ways, paying through the nose for assets that they collectively paid for through tax plus the loss of tax revenue.

In Australia's case, gross value productivity has fallen in electricity by 34 nearly 35% from peak of 00-01 , meaning 14,000 plus workers more than would have been the case if production had remained at 95-96 levels,( or 19% over two decades)
Parasite industries have sprung up as a result in over management, promotions and the like, nothing to do put it that way, with the actual product. Creating private monopolies out of former public owned providers, can have short term benefit but more likely to result in price gouging, with an excessive rate of return and no market exposure.
WE have witnessed this in Australia, where high energy costs impact every area from business to households, worse in our case, as costs have exploded to highest in the world.
Oh yes, your often expressed attempt at redemption by calling the sacking of government workers as a step in the great march forward of neoliberal economic theory. Fact being, many are called back to work as consultants, for a shed load money. At greater cost over time. But you've been informed of all of this before. Odd, not a little, how difficult for some to shed proven flawed belief, but hark back to 'old times'.
..... and with all that said Victorians and Britians are living better than they did before Kennett and Thatcher. Onwards and upwards.
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..... and with all that said Victorians and Britians are living better than they did before Kennett and Thatcher. Onwards and upwards.
Potentially true, especially for the UK. Not so sure about Aus though, Didn't life peak for Aussies in the 70's? Walk into any job, highest wage in the world, Sandman panel vans lol, that kind of thing.

There was a real freedom about Aus in the 70's

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Potentially true, especially for the UK. Not so sure about Aus though, Didn't life peak for Aussies in the 70's? Walk into any job, highest wage in the world, Sandman panel vans lol, that kind of thing.

There was a real freedom about Aus in the 70's

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Still has the highest wage in the world. Or there abouts.
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..... and with all that said Victorians and Britians are living better than they did before Kennett and Thatcher. Onwards and upwards.
Before your time, how would you know, or as blindly obvious don't know? Some are 'wealthier' more due to asset over valuation due to 'cheap' money, rather than much else. Many others are indebted to their eyeballs, with changing circumstances seriously endangering their economic health. Living better? In what way? London was a far better, more equitable city before Thatcher. More working class for sure, but affordable as well, as for Melbourne, yes it probably was a case of, "where's that' ? hence have come out of it a far more recognised brand, but at considerable cost , being one of the fastest population growth centres in the world, resulting like Sydney, in declining living standards.
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Still has the highest wage in the world. Or there abouts.
Some of the worlds highest costs as well. Not forgetting falling welfare spending, resulting in ever mounting health care, aged care, educational costs of anywhere. Besides the cost of having a roof over ones head, including renting in main cities, quality of life after work far from guaranteed, unlike many western countries.
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Potentially true, especially for the UK. Not so sure about Aus though, Didn't life peak for Aussies in the 70's? Walk into any job, highest wage in the world, Sandman panel vans lol, that kind of thing.

There was a real freedom about Aus in the 70's

https://vimeo.com/122067702
Since the Newsweek magazine run a cover stating 'Bye to the Good Life in Australia' in 1987, with a sun kissed, bikini clad young lady, strutting her stuff on some Aussie beach, underlining the changing Australian scene, it was called living beyond ones means back then, the writing was clearly on the wall where the powers that be were taking the country.
The 70's. A time of excess. Tradies, told me years later how they would maintain numerous bank accounts under different names, few checks in those days, The dole was 'liveable' and an almost life style choice, for alternates, who preferred to surf all day, (why not?) Booze was cheap. Pubs full after work most evenings, 'Puberty Blues', the Aussie film, would have been a fair indicator of 'the freedom' in the teenage years of the time, yep a time before regulation, rules, mass conformity, became the norm. Obviously as in all times of history, not all bliss. Much more racism, intolerance and mucho sway and 'early grave stuff' , with the risks undertaken, distance between towns was sometimes measured by number of cartons consumed between pit stops. Girls would hitch hike. Travel (what became backpackers)to Asia still an adventure. Most everyone in employment could afford a house. Aussies recreated a 'Little Australia', in London's Earl Court. A different time indeed.
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Some of the worlds highest costs as well. Not forgetting falling welfare spending, resulting in ever mounting health care, aged care, educational costs of anywhere. Besides the cost of having a roof over ones head, including renting in main cities, quality of life after work far from guaranteed, unlike many western countries.
High costs. .... well thats the beauty of high salaries. Its all relative.

Work is guaranteed. Just not where you live.
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High costs. .... well thats the beauty of high salaries. Its all relative.

Work is guaranteed. Just not where you live.
Well no not if obviously only a minority are earning high salaries. The over inflated property market is making tentative signs at correction, but long way to go. Increasingly casualization of employment, hardly helping either. But not telling you anything that you already don't know.
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Well no not if obviously only a minority are earning high salaries. The over inflated property market is making tentative signs at correction, but long way to go. Increasingly casualization of employment, hardly helping either. But not telling you anything that you already don't know.
Hang in there then. A home you can call your own is just around the corner.
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Hang in there then. A home you can call your own is just around the corner.
Camping out would likely remain a preferable option, than one of those 'box in the sky' options your advocating, that will need replacement inside twenty years due to cheap materials, poor skilled 'contractors' dodgy speculators and even dodgier real estate wallahs.
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Camping out would likely remain a preferable option, than one of those 'box in the sky' options your advocating, that will need replacement inside twenty years due to cheap materials, poor skilled 'contractors' dodgy speculators and even dodgier real estate wallahs.
Do what I did. Buy a house and avoid the above.
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Do what I did. Buy a house and avoid the above.
Another wouldn't be in Sydney, unless value returned to the market, and probably not even then. As you'll have slowly realised, I don't see the big deal about living in Sydney. Don't hate it or even dislike it, just doesn't rate highly enough as a place I would want to live, regardless of preferring big cities.
But back on track, 'You know you are in Australia when the locals too often, become over fiercely defensive, about most every aspect of their often mundane and often repetitive lives.
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