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Pollyana Sep 21st 2017 1:59 am

Re: The Yes No vote
 

Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 12342891)
My head spins that someone believes that they are somehow superior - preventing equality - to their neighbour, their relative, their work mate simply because of who they've fallen in love with. That, in no way shape or form is rational.

Unfortunately the world is full of people who think like that.
The world is full of people who think they have the right to judge people's relationships, be they straight, gay, bi, trans, whatever type of relationships, and those people don't care about the pain they inflict on those they are judging.

moneypenny20 Sep 21st 2017 2:04 am

Re: The Yes No vote
 

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12342900)
If you want to put that spin on it, then are we good for multiple spouses? Fair is fair after all.

Frankly I couldn't care less. If Fred wants to marry both Wilma and Betty and Wilma and Betty are in total agreement being as they're all adults and have control of their own minds then I don't have a problem with it. Marriage is a weird concept imo. But it is a thing, and until it is no longer a thing (which will never happen) then all who want to, who are adult and free thinking, should be able to do it. My marriage isn't special just because it consists of me and the husband. My marriage is ours and no one else's, just as every other marriage is absolutely nothing to do with me.

Personally the idea of having two husbands or a husband and a wife is not one I can imagine ever wanting but who am I to say that because it's not for me, it shouldn't be for anyone else either? And before anyone starts, no it wouldn't lead to being allowed to marry and **** animals. :sneaky: We're talking free thinking adults.

Beoz Sep 21st 2017 2:25 am

Re: The Yes No vote
 

Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 12342905)
Frankly I couldn't care less. If Fred wants to marry both Wilma and Betty and Wilma and Betty are in total agreement being as they're all adults and have control of their own minds then I don't have a problem with it. Marriage is a weird concept imo. But it is a thing, and until it is no longer a thing (which will never happen) then all who want to, who are adult and free thinking, should be able to do it. My marriage isn't special just because it consists of me and the husband. My marriage is ours and no one else's, just as every other marriage is absolutely nothing to do with me.

Personally the idea of having two husbands or a husband and a wife is not one I can imagine ever wanting but who am I to say that because it's not for me, it shouldn't be for anyone else either? And before anyone starts, no it wouldn't lead to being allowed to marry and **** animals. :sneaky: We're talking free thinking adults.

Free thinking cousins?

BEVS Sep 21st 2017 2:40 am

Re: The Yes No vote
 
I know a pair of 2nd cousins that have remained happily married for decades.
I know a pair of homosexual chaps that have been together decades and are now happily married &
I know a very lovely young friend of mine who has found love and I am happy to say he will be able to marry his man. I regard him and his 'straight' brother as close family.

I'm not religious so I really don't get why others who are not effected make such a fuss over something that doesn't touch them.

It is a rather unpleasant judgement call which denies these gay people the same rights as everyone else. To be married if they so wish & thereafter to divorce if they so wish.

It is not as if they are causing any sort of upset to anyone else's lives. I don't see any of those that I personally know wishing harm or meddling with other people's relationships or marriages.

They simply wish to make their commitment by becoming married . Leave them alone. Allow them to marry.

Pulaski Sep 21st 2017 2:43 am

Re: The Yes No vote
 

Originally Posted by Pollyana (Post 12342902)
Unfortunately the world is full of people who think like that.
The world is full of people who think they have the right to judge people's relationships, be they straight, gay, bi, trans, whatever type of relationships, and those people don't care about the pain they inflict on those they are judging.

As others have said, calling a vote or referendum on this subject may have been an error, as some said in the US in the states which had the same sort of votes. But if you ask people to pass an opinion by way of ballot, I will guarantee that some people are going to be offended by the way some other people vote. Personally, I don't give a çräp and if you solicit my opinion by way of a ballot you are going to get my opinion whether you like it or not. And if you don't like my opinion, maybe you shouldn't have asked for it! :lol:

moneypenny20 Sep 21st 2017 2:57 am

Re: The Yes No vote
 

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12342924)
Free thinking cousins?

Did you know you can legally marry your first cousin in Australia? - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

It's not for me to judge who falls in love with who. I don't have cousins and am happily married anyway but given that the world and his/her cousin don't want to marry and procreate, we are not looking at the start of a world consisting of three legged children. You can keep throwing examples at me all day but they're not relevant to the current debate/survey. Who knows what can occur after any rule about any subject is put in place? It's all simply conjecture and has no basis in fact.

Beoz Sep 21st 2017 3:12 am

Re: The Yes No vote
 

Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 12342938)
Did you know you can legally marry your first cousin in Australia? - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

It's not for me to judge who falls in love with who. I don't have cousins and am happily married anyway but given that the world and his/her cousin don't want to marry and procreate, we are not looking at the start of a world consisting of three legged children. You can keep throwing examples at me all day but they're not relevant to the current debate/survey. Who knows what can occur after any rule about any subject is put in place? It's all simply conjecture and has no basis in fact.

Yep. Agree.

Pulaski Sep 21st 2017 3:40 am

Re: The Yes No vote
 

Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 12342938)
[url=http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-11/did-you-know-you-can-legally-marry-your-first-cousin/8796820]Did you know you can legally marry your first cousin in Australia? .....

You can in most countries - it would be easier to list the countries where it is prohibited than where it is legal - basically something US states, some of the Balkan states, China, the Koreas, Taiwan and the Philippines, and there are some restrictions in India. I can't find data for most of Africa and central Asia

moneypenny20 Sep 21st 2017 4:33 am

Re: The Yes No vote
 
Cousins marrying sounds like a winner to me. No stress about meeting the family for the first time, no stress about explaining the foibles of Great Aunt Matilda....

Dreamy Sep 21st 2017 5:08 am

Re: The Yes No vote
 

Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 12342960)
Cousins marrying sounds like a winner to me. No stress about meeting the family for the first time, no stress about explaining the foibles of Great Aunt Matilda....

You can even marry your aunt or uncle in Australia (depending on if you're a nephew or niece, of course - heaven forbid a niece marries her auntie)

scrubbedexpat098 Sep 21st 2017 5:13 am

Re: The Yes No vote
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 12342930)
As others have said, calling a vote or referendum on this subject may have been an error, as some said in the US in the states which had the same sort of votes. But if you ask people to pass an opinion by way of ballot, I will guarantee that some people are going to be offended by the way some other people vote. Personally, I don't give a çräp and if you solicit my opinion by way of a ballot you are going to get my opinion whether you like it or not. And if you don't like my opinion, maybe you shouldn't have asked for it! :lol:

:thumbsup: That's fair, and I won't be falling out with any of my friends who don't agree with me, my view is my view. However, in much the same way as Brexit (and it's the only comparison) I do hate to see people saying yes for public approval, then voting no. Be nice if everyone was grown up enough to say what they are actually going to do. The most liberating thing I ever did was stop giving a **** what anyone thought of me.

scrubbedexpat098 Sep 21st 2017 5:17 am

Re: The Yes No vote
 
A mate of mine was pretty brutal on a facebook post, 'filthy [email protected]@@s' was just one of the descriptions. He copped a flogging quite rightly IMO, but not from me. I told him he was entitled to his opinion, but I wholeheartedly disagreed. I went on to ask what he would think if someone called his two mixed race children an abomination. Still no response.

spouse of scouse Sep 21st 2017 1:58 pm

Re: The Yes No vote
 
I was a bit disappointed that the ballot paper didn't say Yeah, Nah :lol:

scrubbedexpat098 Sep 21st 2017 10:49 pm

Re: The Yes No vote
 
Looks like someone from the yes campaign has headbutted Abbott. :banghead: unreal, I'm all for tolerance and I'll knock you out if you disagree. Shameful way to conduct yourself and detrimental to the cause, like that ANTIFA mob.

Beoz Sep 21st 2017 11:09 pm

Re: The Yes No vote
 

Originally Posted by stevenglish1 (Post 12343652)
Looks like someone from the yes campaign has headbutted Abbott. :banghead: unreal, I'm all for tolerance and I'll knock you out if you disagree. Shameful way to conduct yourself and detrimental to the cause, like that ANTIFA mob.

Yeah but you can justify it because Abbott is a gay hater says the media.

But I agree with you entirely


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