Beoz

Most Labor voters don't have the intelligence to understand budgets, so leave that to the MP's.

However, they do understand Gay Marriage and Mediscare.

Think of this as the government giving one back to the people.

Amazulu

The poster in #179 was expressing an intolerance to those who are ticking no - even though this is a perfectly legitimate and acceptable standpoint to take. I highlighted this intolerance and you obviously took exception to this

Anything else is in your head only

Hope this helps

the troubadour

Mean while The ill named Lib's with their antiquated policy from last century are losing it big time with voters and unable to dispatch policy.


Medicare concerns are very appropriate with ever escalating costs and more dropping out putting greater pressure on expenditure.


This government as have all recent governments have helped run this country down with barely an idea in sight let alone policy.
We are experiencing lowering living standards by the year, especially in our two bigger, though not confined, cities.


The money on this ridiculous vote, to which I will not partake, an inquiry into the banking system or indeed the population Ponzi developments in our cities may have proven of more value.

Amazulu

Australia's living standards continue to rise - as per real metrics not mumbo jumbo and hearsay - still higher than Germany

Check out the United Nations latest Human Development Index (the best overall measure of a country's well being) - Australia still 2nd, just behind Norway and ahead of Germany (and Switzerland)

Check out the World Health Organization's Life Expectancy Index - Australia still 4th, Germany 24th (Norway 15th)

Medicare is rated as the 2nd best health system in the world (NHS 1st)

Hope this helps

Beoz

Nope. The Libs have a diverse team, with a variety of spectrums and opinions which is what you want unlike the union centric Labor party

Nope. That's another lie just like Mediscare.

Living standards continue to rise even in our 2 biggest cities where housing is highest.

I know, I live in one of them. You don't.

Dreamy

If I'd come round to your house and put shit on your doorstep because you were voting no, that would have been intolerance.

HTH

bcworld

So all this was cleaned up quickly at taxpayers expense...but back again today, now with illustrations.

the troubadour

Living standards fall at a rate of knots in Australia's biggest two cities with housing becoming ever more unaffordable. This generation of younger people being the lowest on record, I was reading to be able to enter the market. Due to record immigration, infrastructure that fails to keep pace with massive developing world population growth.


Shame you don't notice what is around you but then again, perhaps not totally surprising being a right wing ill named Liberal voter.

Beoz

Incorrect again. Cost of housing is not a reflector of living standards. Cost of housing is reflective of what people can afford. The average salary in these cities coupled with the current interest rate pricing dictates prices and the mortgage you pay each month. The average mortgage proportioned with the average salary is not much different to what it was in the 80's under 17% interest rates.

As for infrastructure incorrect again. Sydney as an example was neglected for years under Labor and primarily Bob Carr. Its playing catch up initiated by the Libs. And its big time. The mega projects recently completed, in construction and proposed are formidable, providing hundreds of thousands of jobs with great salaries and helping further boost standards of living.

Time to stop living in the resentful bubble and deal with reality and facts.

GarryP

Amazulu

In Germany, most people foolishly rent for life or long periods of time yet their standard of living is very high (not as high as Australia but very good all the same)

Therefore standard of living in not necessarily linked to home ownership

Hope this helps

Beoz

Sorry have you tried to post an image?

the troubadour

How very wrong. Self serving interest I expect. Australians possess what is now quite likely the highest personal debt on earth. The reason over priced housing. Just the slightest rise in rates will send many to the wall. House prices are kept artificially high by record immigration. Melbourne has overtaking Sydney now in overseas, mostly Chinese investors, as the population Ponzi continues unabated.

Infrastructure is nowhere near keeping up with the highest population increases in the developed world. The cost to attempt to do so would be enormous.


You might say the country is in one big mess, with housing unaffordable in sensible locations to most locals and wages stagnating.
You could say a rush towards developing world status, with poorly built apartments huge population increases, failing conditions and denial on vested interest fronts.


Well you seem to be enjoying the race towards Hong Kong style living. Others, though I know are not so keen. Hence the flight of big numbers from Sydney to SE QLD after selling up their way over priced brick and mortar and quitting while still able.

the troubadour

Standard of living is high in most of Western Europe. If you want to follow a measurement made up in 90's up to you. But I'm helping you out by informing you medical services remain of a higher quality in Germany at least. They have for example drugs available that are not so in Australia. (even UK has a cancer drug available not so in Australia) In Germany they still pay for people to go to rehabilitation recovery places after an illness or for respite.


Standard of living is certainly linked to home ownership in Australia. To be without a house on retirement, for example, would be fine in Germany, Denmark, Netherlands, where rent laws abide but not in Australia. This will need to be changed, as rent in the private arena in the Australian context can mean little money left over for anything else.


You might ask yourself the reason home ownership is falling in Australia? Lowest level on record of young people in the market. Perhaps Australia is designated to replace Germany, where numbers buying are increasing.


Nothing foolish about renting. There are protections in place. Hence those people spend their money in things other than non productive housing costs.


Although you are behind the times, which is not so unusual. House prices have surged in recent times in Germany for varied reasons. Berlin is no longer the cheap place it was. Where I lived and continue to own , most do in fact own. The mentality changes depending on region. Nothing compares with Australia, close to the most over priced housing in the world though.

GarryP

Something like this one :