The world of automation
Jun 10th 2018, 11:56 pm
#1291
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Re: The world of automation
How long does it take for those 3 deliveries is the pertient question from a delivery point of view. Would it make the current 22 per hour rate expected of it's drivers by Aus Post. So It should be to you in 9 minutes or less.
I'm orf to work tonight, I will handle by hand at leat supposedly currently unreadable by sorting machine 6,000 parcels..... how many delivery people do you think that is..... I work with 10 other sorters in an area that has 8 post codes to service. So tonight here in Melbournes inner north there will be approximately 60,000 hand sorted parcels going to 130 posties....not drivers.... The drivers are out at Thomastown. Their facility will handle about 12,000 parcels for the drivers, All in boxes all easy to read, all easily machined scannable, all ready to process.... awith delivery SMS's sent to customers. I dont know how many drivers there are, but they generally handle 180 to 200 parcels each day.
Those posties generally deliver to 1200 to 1500 points, ergo there is now a "small" parcel ratio of 1 in 5 houses..... easily delverible by foot. rather than bike, in fact the bike is becoming a hinderance. 6 years ago the ratio was something like 1 in 35 households.
Like I said people are not getting the scale of issue from a delivery point of view.
When China/Germany/ the US is able to automate these small postie soft quite often scrunched up parcels then I'll sit up and take notice....but uptil now no one has.
Last edited by ozzieeagle; Jun 11th 2018 at 12:00 am.
Jun 11th 2018, 2:24 am
#1292
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Re: The world of automation
Suggestion is that Tesla will start enabling self-driving functions from August.
https://www.engadget.com/2018/06/10/...res-in-august/
He's also be talking recently about 'enhanced summoning features' - so he might be talking about the car doing more than reversing out of a parking space.
Oh, and over the weekend he was talking about adding thrusters around the new Roadster (SpaceX package) for added control, acceleration, etc. Most people thought he was joking, but you can never be sure ...
https://www.engadget.com/2018/06/10/...res-in-august/
He's also be talking recently about 'enhanced summoning features' - so he might be talking about the car doing more than reversing out of a parking space.
Oh, and over the weekend he was talking about adding thrusters around the new Roadster (SpaceX package) for added control, acceleration, etc. Most people thought he was joking, but you can never be sure ...
Jun 11th 2018, 4:39 am
#1293
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Re: The world of automation
Suggestion is that Tesla will start enabling self-driving functions from August.
https://www.engadget.com/2018/06/10/...res-in-august/
He's also be talking recently about 'enhanced summoning features' - so he might be talking about the car doing more than reversing out of a parking space.
Oh, and over the weekend he was talking about adding thrusters around the new Roadster (SpaceX package) for added control, acceleration, etc. Most people thought he was joking, but you can never be sure ...
https://www.engadget.com/2018/06/10/...res-in-august/
He's also be talking recently about 'enhanced summoning features' - so he might be talking about the car doing more than reversing out of a parking space.
Oh, and over the weekend he was talking about adding thrusters around the new Roadster (SpaceX package) for added control, acceleration, etc. Most people thought he was joking, but you can never be sure ...
Jun 11th 2018, 4:41 am
#1294
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Re: The world of automation
I think you'll find, in large cities like London, there hundreds of thousands if not millions of people doing back office work which can be automated. Australia must be an odd place where mail delivery seems to be stuck in the 90's, you don't Amazon, and yet routine office work has already been eliminated.
Jun 11th 2018, 5:02 am
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Jun 11th 2018, 5:06 am
#1296
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Re: The world of automation
There's a short-squeeze in the offing, and some people are looking panicked, hence the stories ...
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/08/tesl...a-analyst.html
Jun 11th 2018, 5:57 am
#1297
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Re: The world of automation
It is picking up, noticeably so over the last month or so. Not sure why that is. We are expecting far more local Amazon once the overseas sites are fully geo blocked.
Jun 11th 2018, 6:04 am
#1298
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Re: The world of automation
I gurantee you there is no or very little difference to the way the Royal Mail. Deutsche Post and USPS handles small parcels (postie delivered/mailman delivered) and Aus Post.
Large van parcel driver delivered a totally different kettle of fish...... Which is the point most seem to be struggling with.....and we are talking at least 5 times the volume of small parcels compared to large. They arrive screwed up, curled up, rolled up and totally unreadable by machine in the vast majority of cases, even with their 15 cameras at 5 different points along the conveyor belts.
Express parcels different story, much larger bags and easier to straighten automatically on the belts, hence they are machined.
Jun 11th 2018, 7:11 am
#1299
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Re: The world of automation
Suggestion is that Tesla will start enabling self-driving functions from August.
https://www.engadget.com/2018/06/10/...res-in-august/
He's also be talking recently about 'enhanced summoning features' - so he might be talking about the car doing more than reversing out of a parking space.
Oh, and over the weekend he was talking about adding thrusters around the new Roadster (SpaceX package) for added control, acceleration, etc. Most people thought he was joking, but you can never be sure ...
https://www.engadget.com/2018/06/10/...res-in-august/
He's also be talking recently about 'enhanced summoning features' - so he might be talking about the car doing more than reversing out of a parking space.
Oh, and over the weekend he was talking about adding thrusters around the new Roadster (SpaceX package) for added control, acceleration, etc. Most people thought he was joking, but you can never be sure ...
Tesla (and Musk) are under pressure to deliver on his unrealistic boasts - the real reason behind this announcement
Jun 12th 2018, 1:54 am
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Re: The world of automation
Did some shorter tell you the share price was going south?
There's a short-squeeze in the offing, and some people are looking panicked, hence the stories ...
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/08/tesl...a-analyst.html
There's a short-squeeze in the offing, and some people are looking panicked, hence the stories ...
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/08/tesl...a-analyst.html
And that's all fine if you like a gamble, or you can back something tangible, something that is growing, and will continue to do so. Its your money.
Jun 12th 2018, 1:56 am
#1301
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Re: The world of automation
Just coming back to this article. Did you notice it's all about "growth" and "productivity surge". Small mention that businesses might see the need to control costs.
But as we know cost control is very much a secondary priority to growth. Cost control saves money (finite) where growth makes money (infinite)
We do know there are jobs out there now which could be automated today. But what's the point of risking growth, and adding expenditure investment in technology when people are making money.
So come the next recession people will lose jobs and the first to go will be wasters. Always is.
So the clincher comes on the other side. When businesses start to make money again will they use that money to invest in automation or will they just follow default settings and hire. Well probably a bit of both. The waster positions probably won't get filled. You've been without them during the recession, why fill them again.
So what happens to the wasters. Well they didn't have jobs in the recession. Some will retrain and some will change careers, some will retire. Some will never be employed. No different to previous recessions.
What about technology adoption? Well for starters it costs. If you are moving out of a recession you are treading pretty carefully. Are you going to invest in automation or hire a person, who is cheap and who you can get rid of pretty quickly. Probably the later as most businesses are pretty risk adverse.
So increasing technology adoption and automation needs a kicker. The only one on the horizon is growth and productivity increases which is all about making money which means if you are growing, jobs aren't dying.
Ask Ozzie all about that. He was supposed to be automated out of existence years ago but then Oz Post started making money.
But as we know cost control is very much a secondary priority to growth. Cost control saves money (finite) where growth makes money (infinite)
We do know there are jobs out there now which could be automated today. But what's the point of risking growth, and adding expenditure investment in technology when people are making money.
So come the next recession people will lose jobs and the first to go will be wasters. Always is.
So the clincher comes on the other side. When businesses start to make money again will they use that money to invest in automation or will they just follow default settings and hire. Well probably a bit of both. The waster positions probably won't get filled. You've been without them during the recession, why fill them again.
So what happens to the wasters. Well they didn't have jobs in the recession. Some will retrain and some will change careers, some will retire. Some will never be employed. No different to previous recessions.
What about technology adoption? Well for starters it costs. If you are moving out of a recession you are treading pretty carefully. Are you going to invest in automation or hire a person, who is cheap and who you can get rid of pretty quickly. Probably the later as most businesses are pretty risk adverse.
So increasing technology adoption and automation needs a kicker. The only one on the horizon is growth and productivity increases which is all about making money which means if you are growing, jobs aren't dying.
Ask Ozzie all about that. He was supposed to be automated out of existence years ago but then Oz Post started making money.
Unions could start by negotiating incentives, bonuses, kick backs, for employees where productivity increases.
Its a win for all.
Jun 12th 2018, 3:18 am
#1302
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Re: The world of automation
Everything Tesla has to offer a potential investor is fairy dust. There is nothing concrete. It could be great, but it could be a dud. So far its been a dud hence the shorting.
And that's all fine if you like a gamble, or you can back something tangible, something that is growing, and will continue to do so. Its your money.
And that's all fine if you like a gamble, or you can back something tangible, something that is growing, and will continue to do so. Its your money.
Jun 12th 2018, 4:10 am
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Re: The world of automation
Jun 12th 2018, 7:24 am
#1304
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Re: The world of automation
But perhaps one of his best policies, and one that you obviously hate, he doesn't see the accrual of zeros in a bank account to be a worthwhile goal. Money is only of use if it's doing something positive, and that's what he's been doing. When you compare Tesla to the other car companies what you see is something with much more upside, the same market cap, off smaller sales.
What you also see are issues with manufacture of the 3 being overcome, with the Tesla Semi, Model Y and Roadster MkII coming along inside a few year.
The only question marks I'd have are can they cut the price of those batteries (a problem all car companies will have) and can they get the automation working by 2020 (again, the same problem as the other car companies). If both of those can get addressed, they will probably end up taking over one of the other major car companies (patents will be key).
Jun 12th 2018, 8:40 am
#1305
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Re: The world of automation
Tesla is not a product? <mystified>
Steve Jobs: more than a marketer, he built and re-built Apple, which is quite a feat (especially from where it was in the early 90's). He may well have adapted and improved technologies other companies developed, but that's business.
Steve Jobs: more than a marketer, he built and re-built Apple, which is quite a feat (especially from where it was in the early 90's). He may well have adapted and improved technologies other companies developed, but that's business.