The world of automation
Jun 6th 2018, 9:34 pm
#1246
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Re: The world of automation
Here's the thing. Job type migration happens over time. See blacksmith. There is no doubt in 50 years time, a train driver might not be a required skill, but just like all those milkman out there, time allowed for a job type shift, and with all these new occupations appearing, and the masses acquiring skills, the future is rosey.
Jun 7th 2018, 2:54 pm
#1247
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Re: The world of automation
You picked 3 occupations that are in very high demand today, despite all this AI floating around.
Here's the thing. Job type migration happens over time. See blacksmith. There is no doubt in 50 years time, a train driver might not be a required skill, but just like all those milkman out there, time allowed for a job type shift, and with all these new occupations appearing, and the masses acquiring skills, the future is rosey.
Here's the thing. Job type migration happens over time. See blacksmith. There is no doubt in 50 years time, a train driver might not be a required skill, but just like all those milkman out there, time allowed for a job type shift, and with all these new occupations appearing, and the masses acquiring skills, the future is rosey.
Jun 8th 2018, 2:12 am
#1248
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Re: The world of automation
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/0..._threatens_it/
Personally I think he's taking much too much of a rosy view - since the rule seems to be that threatened idiots vote far right, and far right give the billionaires tax breaks at the expense of those same threatened idiots. I do think the switch will come fast, and external to any recession (except it will cause one).
I do wish those people who think new jobs will miraculously appear for the threatened idiots to do would explain what they are - because I can't think of any mass employment opportunities that make sense.
Jun 8th 2018, 2:56 am
#1249
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Re: The world of automation
Not so sure it will be that fast Gary. Unless you call 30 years fast. Drones are now dead in the water for delivery purposes as far as I can tell..... Even automated vehicle delivery is taking a backward step. I'm talking purely parcels here. Parcel Lockers are springing up everywhere. Plus looks like the car boot could also be a future mass used delivery point. All I see in our industry is Automation at the final point getting pushed further and further out in it's predicitons.
One thing that will happen I'm sure though.... Ownership is about to finish and subscriptions for just about everything is just around the corner..... From Clothes to Vehicles and probably even groceries.
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One thing that will happen I'm sure though.... Ownership is about to finish and subscriptions for just about everything is just around the corner..... From Clothes to Vehicles and probably even groceries.
Subscribe to vehicles
Jun 8th 2018, 4:12 am
#1250
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Re: The world of automation
Was it the same Garry that said this in 1985 before the mass use of digital data and the masses of jobs that came with it - including your own?
Jun 8th 2018, 4:35 am
#1251
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Re: The world of automation
I couldn't put it better that the great Henry Hazlitt:
Joe Smith is thrown out of a job by the introduction of some new machine. “Keep your eye on Joe Smith,” these writers insist. “Never lose track of Joe Smith.” But what they then proceed to do is to keep their eyes only on Joe Smith, and to forget Tom Jones, who has just got a new job in making the new machine, and Ted Brown, who has just got a job operating one, and Daisy Miller, who can now buy a coat for half what it used to cost her. And because they think only of Joe Smith, they end by advocating reactionary and nonsensical policies.
Joe Smith is thrown out of a job by the introduction of some new machine. “Keep your eye on Joe Smith,” these writers insist. “Never lose track of Joe Smith.” But what they then proceed to do is to keep their eyes only on Joe Smith, and to forget Tom Jones, who has just got a new job in making the new machine, and Ted Brown, who has just got a job operating one, and Daisy Miller, who can now buy a coat for half what it used to cost her. And because they think only of Joe Smith, they end by advocating reactionary and nonsensical policies.
Jun 8th 2018, 4:50 am
#1252
I still dont believe it..
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Re: The world of automation
Sooo much BS in my line of work.
I have spent my entire working life in IT service/support, from the roots/coalface to the top of the 20k IT workforce tree. I am just retired, and through my entire working career i was told experts were working hard to make my role redundant. In truth the only truth is that change is a constant. The workload and numbers of people employed just increases every year, sometimes exponentially. Its been a great little earner and career, but nobody can ever tell me that numbers of people working in IT will shrink in the forseeable future. I can see it now, following the singularity, multivac will outsource polishing his carapace which will require another 10k polishing certified preferably experienced exoskeleton technicians with both microsoft developer and gujerati.
I have spent my entire working life in IT service/support, from the roots/coalface to the top of the 20k IT workforce tree. I am just retired, and through my entire working career i was told experts were working hard to make my role redundant. In truth the only truth is that change is a constant. The workload and numbers of people employed just increases every year, sometimes exponentially. Its been a great little earner and career, but nobody can ever tell me that numbers of people working in IT will shrink in the forseeable future. I can see it now, following the singularity, multivac will outsource polishing his carapace which will require another 10k polishing certified preferably experienced exoskeleton technicians with both microsoft developer and gujerati.
Jun 8th 2018, 4:55 am
#1253
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Re: The world of automation
Not so sure it will be that fast Gary. Unless you call 30 years fast. Drones are now dead in the water for delivery purposes as far as I can tell..... Even automated vehicle delivery is taking a backward step. I'm talking purely parcels here. Parcel Lockers are springing up everywhere. Plus looks like the car boot could also be a future mass used delivery point. All I see in our industry is Automation at the final point getting pushed further and further out in it's predicitons.
One thing that will happen I'm sure though.... Ownership is about to finish and subscriptions for just about everything is just around the corner..... From Clothes to Vehicles and probably even groceries.
One thing that will happen I'm sure though.... Ownership is about to finish and subscriptions for just about everything is just around the corner..... From Clothes to Vehicles and probably even groceries.
5 years, tops.
And the white collar jobs are even easier to automate.
So, millions of jobs, all firmly in the firing line.
Jun 8th 2018, 5:08 am
#1254
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Re: The world of automation
Sooo much BS in my line of work.
I have spent my entire working life in IT service/support, from the roots/coalface to the top of the 20k IT workforce tree. I am just retired, and through my entire working career i was told experts were working hard to make my role redundant. In truth the only truth is that change is a constant. The workload and numbers of people employed just increases every year, sometimes exponentially. Its been a great little earner and career, but nobody can ever tell me that numbers of people working in IT will shrink in the forseeable future. I can see it now, following the singularity, multivac will outsource polishing his carapace which will require another 10k polishing certified preferably experienced exoskeleton technicians with both microsoft developer and gujerati.
I have spent my entire working life in IT service/support, from the roots/coalface to the top of the 20k IT workforce tree. I am just retired, and through my entire working career i was told experts were working hard to make my role redundant. In truth the only truth is that change is a constant. The workload and numbers of people employed just increases every year, sometimes exponentially. Its been a great little earner and career, but nobody can ever tell me that numbers of people working in IT will shrink in the forseeable future. I can see it now, following the singularity, multivac will outsource polishing his carapace which will require another 10k polishing certified preferably experienced exoskeleton technicians with both microsoft developer and gujerati.
Jun 8th 2018, 5:09 am
#1255
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Re: The world of automation
Not so sure it will be that fast Gary. Unless you call 30 years fast. Drones are now dead in the water for delivery purposes as far as I can tell..... Even automated vehicle delivery is taking a backward step. I'm talking purely parcels here. Parcel Lockers are springing up everywhere. Plus looks like the car boot could also be a future mass used delivery point. All I see in our industry is Automation at the final point getting pushed further and further out in it's predicitons.
One thing that will happen I'm sure though.... Ownership is about to finish and subscriptions for just about everything is just around the corner..... From Clothes to Vehicles and probably even groceries.
Subscribe to vehicles
One thing that will happen I'm sure though.... Ownership is about to finish and subscriptions for just about everything is just around the corner..... From Clothes to Vehicles and probably even groceries.
Subscribe to vehicles
Jun 8th 2018, 5:52 am
#1256
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Re: The world of automation
Sooo much BS in my line of work.
I have spent my entire working life in IT service/support, from the roots/coalface to the top of the 20k IT workforce tree. I am just retired, and through my entire working career i was told experts were working hard to make my role redundant. In truth the only truth is that change is a constant. The workload and numbers of people employed just increases every year, sometimes exponentially. Its been a great little earner and career, but nobody can ever tell me that numbers of people working in IT will shrink in the forseeable future. I can see it now, following the singularity, multivac will outsource polishing his carapace which will require another 10k polishing certified preferably experienced exoskeleton technicians with both microsoft developer and gujerati.
I have spent my entire working life in IT service/support, from the roots/coalface to the top of the 20k IT workforce tree. I am just retired, and through my entire working career i was told experts were working hard to make my role redundant. In truth the only truth is that change is a constant. The workload and numbers of people employed just increases every year, sometimes exponentially. Its been a great little earner and career, but nobody can ever tell me that numbers of people working in IT will shrink in the forseeable future. I can see it now, following the singularity, multivac will outsource polishing his carapace which will require another 10k polishing certified preferably experienced exoskeleton technicians with both microsoft developer and gujerati.
Jun 8th 2018, 5:57 am
#1257
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Re: The world of automation
I'd agree with people pushing subscription rather than ownership (certainly the way cars are going to go). However I can't square that with automation being far off, particularly for parcels. At the very least it makes an autonomous van that turns up outside your house with a chute and your parcel an easy thing to achieve. Let alone the flying autonomous vehicles.
5 years, tops.
5 years, tops.
White collar jobs have been automated for decades. Why do we still have white collar jobs?
Jun 8th 2018, 6:20 am
#1258
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Re: The world of automation
Not sure what happen to your formatting there Ozzie but your links are all about securing deliveries, not automating deliveries.
Jun 8th 2018, 7:06 am
#1259
I still dont believe it..
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Re: The world of automation
nope, sorry but I was employed 18 months ago by a large bank to punish an IT supplier who decided to base their support in Hyderabad, they are a total disaster, cheap, worthy of talking in call centres to proles, but as techies a waste of oxygen. Smart expensive people trump hordes of the less able when you need quality, it has ever been thus. In total cost/benefit terms they are actually cheaper too.
Jun 8th 2018, 7:22 am
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Re: The world of automation
nope, sorry but I was employed 18 months ago by a large bank to punish an IT supplier who decided to base their support in Hyderabad, they are a total disaster, cheap, worthy of talking in call centres to proles, but as techies a waste of oxygen. Smart expensive people trump hordes of the less able when you need quality, it has ever been thus. In total cost/benefit terms they are actually cheaper too.
Same in engineering. Sure, you can get your project designed cheaply in Bangalore, but after the 6th re-work to get it right (not to mention the added time) it would have been cheaper to get it done in Perth or London