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Old Oct 25th 2017, 11:56 pm
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Originally Posted by Beoz
Errr. Gerry Harvey had no input into this article. Nice try though.
Again with the naive?

There have been a series of articles on news.con.au pushing a Gerry Harvey PoV - all positive or siding with Gerry over something or other. Basically it's a murdoch organ, and it can be bought to push 'stories', which are really adverts, for any brand you want.

Take a look at what they have run over the past year https://www.google.com.au/search?q=G...%3Anews.com.au

Reality is Harvey Norman shares have been hit hard over that time; losing over 30% of their value and the target of short sellers - but you wouldn't know it from the news.com.au stories. That's why you get the stories trying to claim 'everything's fine', 'look at this new innovation', and 'Amazon are overblown'. If sales are hit as expected over the christmas period and Gerry can't get financing, his fixed asset costs could spiral him into the ground.
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Old Oct 26th 2017, 3:57 am
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Originally Posted by GarryP
Again with the naive?

There have been a series of articles on news.con.au pushing a Gerry Harvey PoV - all positive or siding with Gerry over something or other. Basically it's a murdoch organ, and it can be bought to push 'stories', which are really adverts, for any brand you want.

Take a look at what they have run over the past year https://www.google.com.au/search?q=G...%3Anews.com.au

Reality is Harvey Norman shares have been hit hard over that time; losing over 30% of their value and the target of short sellers - but you wouldn't know it from the news.com.au stories. That's why you get the stories trying to claim 'everything's fine', 'look at this new innovation', and 'Amazon are overblown'. If sales are hit as expected over the christmas period and Gerry can't get financing, his fixed asset costs could spiral him into the ground.
Are you smoking crack? Or just sitting in your Werribee hermit hole hoping the world does what you do, and doesn't have to leave the safety of the house and internet? Or both?

I am simply pointing out that those retail stores that change their model are surviving, and growing. There are humans that like to get out you know, test drive stuff, feel it, watch it, talk about it. Its all about the experience. For all generations.

Just because I wrote about this back then and the press is now doing the same doesn't mean you need to get upset. Its ok to be wrong every now and then.
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Old Oct 26th 2017, 6:04 am
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Originally Posted by Beoz
Are you smoking crack?
I'm the one with facts and evidence on my side.

Retail sector is weak, with poor sales, and poor margins. And that is before Amazon comes in.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/a...survey-2017-10

The only stores that are surviving well, and are expected to weather the Amazon onslaught, are those that have been cutting their costs .....
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Old Oct 26th 2017, 10:47 am
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Originally Posted by GarryP
I'm the one with facts and evidence on my side.

Retail sector is weak, with poor sales, and poor margins. And that is before Amazon comes in.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/a...survey-2017-10

The only stores that are surviving well, and are expected to weather the Amazon onslaught, are those that have been cutting their costs .....
Do you actually read the articles in full you post?

To many, the combination of high levels of household indebtedness, weak wage growth, falling savings rates, out-of-cycle mortgage rate increases and surging energy costs have only amplified concern about the state of household finances, casting doubt about the ability of households to sustain their spending levels, let alone increase them, despite robust employment growth.

No division between online and in-store or both? Everything is on a downward cycle at present from a previous up turn.

Nothing about automation either.

More points to Beoz.

How are the farmers?
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Old Oct 26th 2017, 11:40 am
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Originally Posted by Beoz
Do you actually read the articles in full you post?

To many, the combination of high levels of household indebtedness, weak wage growth, falling savings rates, out-of-cycle mortgage rate increases and surging energy costs have only amplified concern about the state of household finances, casting doubt about the ability of households to sustain their spending levels, let alone increase them, despite robust employment growth.

No division between online and in-store or both? Everything is on a downward cycle at present from a previous up turn.

Nothing about automation either.
So, first I point out that your story is just Gerry Harvey wank, and you claim that with innovative ideas like 'demonstrating the product', they are 'surviving and growing the business'. So I point out that the share price has fallen 30% and the entire retail sector is in the doldrums. And now you are back to trying to talk about automation again.

Where you are still wrong.
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Old Oct 26th 2017, 2:08 pm
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Originally Posted by Beoz
I have addressed it many times. Lets do it again. Firms would rather implement technologies that make money, not save money. Remember, saving is finite, making money is infinite. The finite takes a back seat to the infinite.



Its quite the opposite. Technology companies do want to impoverish their customers. They want the money in their customers bank accounts, moving to their own. The problem is, if their customers have no money, there's no money to shift.

As we know, the first thing technology companies wind back when economic hard times hit is R&D, and they revert to maintaining the existing customer base.

If any of what you say has an ounce of truth, and a large portion of world finds themselves without money, the last thing they will be buying is technology, and as a result, technology development stagnates because the technology companies are without money too.

Are you starting to see how this works?

BTW, how are those farmers doing?
They will implement both technologies, cost saving and revenue generating. Why does it need to be a dichotomy? The point on the cost saving remains, jobs are lost.

Nobody wants to impoverish customers, nevertheless, it happens. Why wouldn't it happen in a free market? Are you suggesting a control economy?

Farmers are practically a non existent segment, if anything they prove technological unemployment.
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So, first I point out that your story is just Gerry Harvey wank, and you claim that with innovative ideas like 'demonstrating the product', they are 'surviving and growing the business'. So I point out that the share price has fallen 30% and the entire retail sector is in the doldrums. And now you are back to trying to talk about automation again.

Where you are still wrong.
And in turn I point out that the down turn includes online (unless you can point out where it doesn't). I also pointed out that the recent (months) down turn was a cycle away from the recent up turn (your article not mine).

What are you trying to prove here? This thread is about automation. This discussion is about you trying to prove online is killing live retail.

You have proved neither.

You need to better qualify your articles.
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Old Oct 26th 2017, 7:44 pm
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They will implement both technologies, cost saving and revenue generating. Why does it need to be a dichotomy? The point on the cost saving remains, jobs are lost.

Nobody wants to impoverish customers, nevertheless, it happens. Why wouldn't it happen in a free market? Are you suggesting a control economy?

Farmers are practically a non existent segment, if anything they prove technological unemployment.
Correct. And what happen to all those who were manual labourers on farms? Did it happen over a long period of time? Did mass unemployment happen as a result (remember farm workers were a massive proportion of the work force). Did they move into other jobs, created by technology advancements? (Tractor drivers, factory workers, etc).
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Correct. And what happen to all those who were manual labourers on farms? Did it happen over a long period of time? Did mass unemployment happen as a result (remember farm workers were a massive proportion of the work force). Did they move into other jobs, created by technology advancements? (Tractor drivers, factory workers, etc).
We've been through this before. Essentially my contention is that AI will make things different this time, yours is that it won't, that despite having machines that think faster and better than humans, that have lower costs, some kind of high value work will emerge for the millions of displaced common workers. I really don't see it, and so far, I don't think anyone else sees what the new industry will be. Perhaps a sky based pie manufacturing facility, something like that.
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We've been through this before. Essentially my contention is that AI will make things different this time, yours is that it won't, that despite having machines that think faster and better than humans, that have lower costs, some kind of high value work will emerge for the millions of displaced common workers. I really don't see it, and so far, I don't think anyone else sees what the new industry will be. Perhaps a sky based pie manufacturing facility, something like that.
I accept your opinion on that. Been through it before. Machines already do things quicker and more accurately than humans. It is hard to predict the future. It was hard for the luddites in the textile industry to predict. It was hard for the farmers workers to predict. Today its still hard to predict. But don't worry .... without money nothing gets developed. The catch 22 will keep us safe.
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Oh darn. Someone forgot the humans.

https://www.commercialrealestate.com.au/news/automated-restaurant-firm-eatsa-closes-five-outlets/
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What happens when skynet, which will of course be managing financial markets, decides that humans need for their happiness to have ‘employment’ but of course to prevent upsetting financial markets nothing that is sold can get to the marketplace, and sets up the Soylent Green Pie factory with fully automated abbatoir and meat handling of course but manual pie construction and free individually delivered distribution / shipping by human.
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What happens when skynet, which will of course be managing financial markets, decides that humans need for their happiness to have ‘employment’ but of course to prevent upsetting financial markets nothing that is sold can get to the marketplace, and sets up the Soylent Green Pie factory with fully automated abbatoir and meat handling of course but manual pie construction and free individually delivered distribution / shipping by human.
At least Skynet won't produce incoherent posts.
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What happens when skynet, which will of course be managing financial markets, decides that humans need for their happiness to have ‘employment’ but of course to prevent upsetting financial markets nothing that is sold can get to the marketplace, and sets up the Soylent Green Pie factory with fully automated abbatoir and meat handling of course but manual pie construction and free individually delivered distribution / shipping by human.
No need for green pies. Skynet killed off the humans.
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What happens when skynet,
Why are you worried about a fictional AI, when the global financial markets are already amoral and quite happy with treating people as disposable waste?
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