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Old Sep 13th 2016, 11:11 pm
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Originally Posted by ozzieeagle
Can someone explain to me the direct negative impact to an individual of data being collected.

People say privacy, but I still dont get it. Google aren't the only ones that track your browsing activities, plus if your in the firing line, everything you do on the net is being tracked and those individuals are probably tracked and scrutinised off the net as well. All I personally see from googles data collection are time saving positives.

I think the whole privacy thing is blown totally out of proportion.

Now when and if AI or super computers can read thoughts or minds.... well thats a totally different story.
I agree Ozzie

So far, its all been a benefit. Google knows where my home is so when I order an Uber, its as simple as my location to home, rather than typing in the whole address.

Its searches are directed towards my location, the country, the area. Type "ordering food". Thank goodness I don't get the local pizza shop in Mountain View, California

If you get your phone stolen or lost, if you have the location services on, the the thief leaves your phone on, you can see exactly where its gone.

The bottom line is the paranoid think that Google have have the bandwidth to look at every single detail you do. Do you think Google give 2 hoots about what you are doing, what your credit card number is, etc? They bundle it all into an algorithm and read collective patterns, they are not interested in individuals.

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You won't remember that in 4 months when all is fine, its battery life is lasting 2 and a half days, whilst all the Apple sheep are rushing for the nearest powerpoint after 8 hours of use.
Battery life is lasting 2 and a half days and then Samsung owners are rushing for a hospital.

Maybe just once in a while do some research. iPhones can last two days easily. The latest iPhone 5.5 inch lasts just as long as the Note 7 with no cars or hotel rooms bursting into flames. People might forget about it soon enough, but they will be very cautious about buying the next Samsung. Samsung themselves have had a massive hit to their share price.

Anyway, well done for moving the conversation in th direction without telling us how much you fantasise about Steve Jobs.
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Originally Posted by ozzieeagle
Can someone explain to me the direct negative impact to an individual of data being collected.

People say privacy, but I still dont get it. Google aren't the only ones that track your browsing activities, plus if your in the firing line, everything you do on the net is being tracked and those individuals are probably tracked and scrutinised off the net as well. All I personally see from googles data collection are time saving positives.

I think the whole privacy thing is blown totally out of proportion.

Now when and if AI or super computers can read thoughts or minds.... well thats a totally different story.
But it isn't blown out of the water. People should have a right to privacy even if we're not doing any wrong. Plus, you're relying on these corporations to take responsible care of your data. It's not just about seeing what you are searching for but building an online identity of you which, combines with many different online services gives quite a lot of real life personal information.

A lot of your life might actually be online now and in many cases, not by your choosing. This means that it's not just about behaving on social media or giving false answers to security questions. You're overwhelmed by so many different accounts that it's near impossible to apply good practice security protection such as giving false answers or even using complex passwords.

Also, I could do without the narcissistic targeted advertising in my face from when I wake up to when I go to sleep.

Man I hate cookies.
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Battery life is lasting 2 and a half days and then Samsung owners are rushing for a hospital.

Maybe just once in a while do some research. iPhones can last two days easily. The latest iPhone 5.5 inch lasts just as long as the Note 7 with no cars or hotel rooms bursting into flames. People might forget about it soon enough, but they will be very cautious about buying the next Samsung. Samsung themselves have had a massive hit to their share price.

Anyway, well done for moving the conversation in th direction without telling us how much you fantasise about Steve Jobs.
My Note 5 can last 2 and a half days ..... Catch Up Apple.
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But it isn't blown out of the water. People should have a right to privacy even if we're not doing any wrong. Plus, you're relying on these corporations to take responsible care of your data. It's not just about seeing what you are searching for but building an online identity of you which, combines with many different online services gives quite a lot of real life personal information.

A lot of your life might actually be online now and in many cases, not by your choosing. This means that it's not just about behaving on social media or giving false answers to security questions. You're overwhelmed by so many different accounts that it's near impossible to apply good practice security protection such as giving false answers or even using complex passwords.

Also, I could do without the narcissistic targeted advertising in my face from when I wake up to when I go to sleep.

Man I hate cookies.
Basically the Internet is exactly like a postcard, if you want privacy don't use it.

The more you seek privacy on the net, the more under scrutiny you are likely to become.

I personally would rather have google know my browsing habits than governments. However the best way to pass under the radar is to keep everything non private IMO.

Plus really I dont care who is looking at my net actions. The government already knows how much I have and what banking I do, my net provider knows where I browse..... Google basically just makes my search habits, easier and quicker.

As for advertising, everytime you put an ad blocker on, it just slows down your browsing. So I've learnt to ignore it as a commercial annoyance.


You can bet your life that the Census information, is being lined up with electoral roll info and the massive Aus post data base of everyones name and address in the country. Any secretive actions will just draw more attention and scrutiny.
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Originally Posted by ozzieeagle
Basically the Internet is exactly like a postcard, if you want privacy don't use it.

The more you seek privacy on the net, the more under scrutiny you are likely to become.

I personally would rather have google know my browsing habits than governments. However the best way to pass under the radar is to keep everything non private IMO.

Plus really I dont care who is looking at my net actions. The government already knows how much I have and what banking I do, my net provider knows where I browse..... Google basically just makes my search habits, easier and quicker.

As for advertising, everytime you put an ad blocker on, it just slows down your browsing. So I've learnt to ignore it as a commercial annoyance.


You can bet your life that the Census information, is being lined up with electoral roll info and the massive Aus post data base of everyones name and address in the country. Any secretive actions will just draw more attention and scrutiny.
But accepting privacy to be a non issue leaves the door open for even more exposure. There is really no penalty these days for a company to have poor security controls which leads to massive leaks of customer data. The only impact is to their reputation. That says there is a lack of care or respect for your info.

Also, ad blockers actually speed up your browsing and also help to go easy on your data allowance. The only issue is when websites identify when you are using a blocker and deny access to their content. That's their right, but website owners are expressing damage to their revenue due to blockers, most recently when it came built into IOS.
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There is really no penalty these days for a company to have poor security controls which leads to massive leaks of customer data. The only impact is to their reputation. That says there is a lack of care or respect for your info..
Exactly and that's why information leaking is virtually non existent. But when it does happen businesses go out of business. See Ashley Maddison.

If you are worried about Google then you should really shut down your bank accounts too.
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Exactly and that's why information leaking is virtually non existent. But when it does happen businesses go out of business. See Ashley Maddison.

If you are worried about Google then you should really shut down your bank accounts too.
How about Sony, Westpac and the many others that got hacked? It's very naive to believe they just go out of business. They get over the Pr nightmare, hand out some discounted or free service and that's pretty much it.

You only knew about Ashley Maddison's poor security control after the hacking. Working in IT and with security control in my role, it's as clear as day just how little companies rate investment in security.
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How about Sony, Westpac and the many others that got hacked? It's very naive to believe they just go out of business. They get over the Pr nightmare, hand out some discounted or free service and that's pretty much it.

You only knew about Ashley Maddison's poor security control after the hacking. Working in IT and with security control in my role, it's as clear as day just how little companies rate investment in security.
Well then, shut down your bank account, cancel your Sony account, and jump aboard the growth industry bandwagon.

The ball is in your court. Stop blaming others.

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Well then, shut down your bank account, cancel your Sony account, and jump aboard the growth industry bandwagon.

The ball is in your court. Stop blaming others.

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Yeah good call brains.
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Yeah good call brains.
Yep. And you don't have to use Google or BE either if you feel they are collecting your data and your thoughts. Your call. Sorry to out do you again.
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Yep. And you don't have to use Google or BE either if you feel they are collecting your data and your thoughts. Your call. Sorry to out do you again.
No idea what you've actually out done me on but well done. Celebrate responsibly.
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No idea what you've actually out done me on but well done. Celebrate responsibly.
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Well it's not exploding in my hand. Read further, it was resolved in minutes.
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Well it's not exploding in my hand. Read further, it was resolved in minutes.
Exploding screen or exploding battery. I'd rather be trying to claim a refund on an exploding battery rather than having the argument with Apple whether or not my flimsy broken screen was my own fault or not.
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