The world of automation
#226
Re: The world of automation
Companies such as Microsoft and Yahoo have struggled to compete with Google because they tried to mimic them along with trying to make it appear better or different. The greatest new feature of a search engine is anonymity. That's why DuckDuckGo is doing. There is a compromise at the moment for speed in results and more websites included in searches. But even google had to play catch up in that at one point.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RankBrain
In other words, it's shifting from dumb search to intelligent search agents that understand both what you are looking for, and what the page says, and can even make inferences from multiple sources/NLP.
#227
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Problem is, the search world is in the midst of another generational change. Now, that gives the non-incumbent a chance; but the change is from serving up pages that might be useful, to extracting answers and making sure the info/page is useful, using AI. And Google are well up there with the cutting edge in this, which I don't think you can say for DuckDuckGo.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RankBrain
In other words, it's shifting from dumb search to intelligent search agents that understand both what you are looking for, and what the page says, and can even make inferences from multiple sources/NLP.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RankBrain
In other words, it's shifting from dumb search to intelligent search agents that understand both what you are looking for, and what the page says, and can even make inferences from multiple sources/NLP.
#228
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Re: The world of automation
No idea what you're talking about now. DuckDuckGo has started in a similar way to Google in terms of getting its name out there. Word of mouth. I guess you have never used DuckDuckGo and probably never heard of it before today. In your ignorant world, that must mean it didn't exist until today. Companies such as Microsoft and Yahoo have struggled to compete with Google because they tried to mimic them along with trying to make it appear better or different. The greatest new feature of a search engine is anonymity. That's why DuckDuckGo is doing. There is a compromise at the moment for speed in results and more websites included in searches. But even google had to play catch up in that at one point.
Never said I worked for a software company before. But now I will. I have worked for software companies before. Not sure why that's relevant as I never held a position in marketing or research.
Never said I worked for a software company before. But now I will. I have worked for software companies before. Not sure why that's relevant as I never held a position in marketing or research.
The masses don't care about privacy and protection. They just consume the easiest way possible.
Are the masses going to go to the Ducks website to do a search to for privacy protection? No
Are the masses going to download another app just for privacy protection? No
So really its only appeal is for the tech conscious, left wingers who hate big business.
#229
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It doesn't matter if I have used DuckDuckGo nor what my or your opinion of it is. Its a matter whether it can grab the masses.
The masses don't care about privacy and protection. They just consume the easiest way possible.
Are the masses going to go to the Ducks website to do a search to for privacy protection? No
Are the masses going to download another app just for privacy protection? No
So really its only appeal is for the tech conscious, left wingers who hate big business.
The masses don't care about privacy and protection. They just consume the easiest way possible.
Are the masses going to go to the Ducks website to do a search to for privacy protection? No
Are the masses going to download another app just for privacy protection? No
So really its only appeal is for the tech conscious, left wingers who hate big business.
Google became incredibly popular because of the word of mouth free advertising amongst the tech savvy. It didn't shoot to the top because of a shopping channel infomercial (I apologise for using that term btw).
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The way you generalise is just too weird. Those looking for privacy are business haters? When you decide to rejoin our planet, let us know.
Google became incredibly popular because of the word of mouth free advertising amongst the tech savvy. It didn't shoot to the top because of a shopping channel infomercial (I apologise for using that term btw).
Google became incredibly popular because of the word of mouth free advertising amongst the tech savvy. It didn't shoot to the top because of a shopping channel infomercial (I apologise for using that term btw).
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1. it's a well-known brand
2. it's the default search engine
3. they use an iPhone/iPad (same as #2)
4. they use Chrome
... and not because they actually did a comparison and found Google to be any better than other search engines. I'd bet 99% of people have never done an actual comparison...
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Almost everyone I know uses Google simply because of any combination of the following...
1. it's a well-known brand
2. it's the default search engine
3. they use an iPhone/iPad (same as #2)
4. they use Chrome
... and not because they actually did a comparison and found Google to be any better than other search engines. I'd bet 99% of people have never done an actual comparison...
1. it's a well-known brand
2. it's the default search engine
3. they use an iPhone/iPad (same as #2)
4. they use Chrome
... and not because they actually did a comparison and found Google to be any better than other search engines. I'd bet 99% of people have never done an actual comparison...
That's right. 99% have never done a comparison.
So what's the effort required, adding to all the other things I mentioned above for Mozilla to persuade the 99% to try something else?
Bing is the second biggest search engine only because its in your face inside Windows.
Mozilla effectly need to own a large, well used OS. Or get in bed with one.
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Re: The world of automation
Firefox rose to fame without a Mozilla OS, simply because people wanted an independent browser instead of IE.
Masses of people would likewise ditch Google if a major, trusted entity came out and decided on an ad-free, spyware-free, no-data-retention, etc. search engine for all internet users. Basically someone BIG needs to take on the Duck Duck Go approach...
Masses of people would likewise ditch Google if a major, trusted entity came out and decided on an ad-free, spyware-free, no-data-retention, etc. search engine for all internet users. Basically someone BIG needs to take on the Duck Duck Go approach...
#235
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Firefox rose to fame without a Mozilla OS, simply because people wanted an independent browser instead of IE.
Masses of people would likewise ditch Google if a major, trusted entity came out and decided on an ad-free, spyware-free, no-data-retention, etc. search engine for all internet users. Basically someone BIG needs to take on the Duck Duck Go approach...
Masses of people would likewise ditch Google if a major, trusted entity came out and decided on an ad-free, spyware-free, no-data-retention, etc. search engine for all internet users. Basically someone BIG needs to take on the Duck Duck Go approach...
#236
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Re: The world of automation
Firefox rose to fame without a Mozilla OS, simply because people wanted an independent browser instead of IE.
Masses of people would likewise ditch Google if a major, trusted entity came out and decided on an ad-free, spyware-free, no-data-retention, etc. search engine for all internet users. Basically someone BIG needs to take on the Duck Duck Go approach...
Masses of people would likewise ditch Google if a major, trusted entity came out and decided on an ad-free, spyware-free, no-data-retention, etc. search engine for all internet users. Basically someone BIG needs to take on the Duck Duck Go approach...
So who would be that big player you mention? Well it needs business benefits. Just merely advertising it as a ad-free, spyware-free, no-data-retention, etc, engine is not enough, and provides very little value to the creator today.
DuckDuckGo receive revenue via search re-directions from Amazon, Ebay etc. Google too. The majority of Google's ad revenue comes from search ads that do not require knowing anything about the user, just the current search terms. This is the same as DuckDuckGo operate too.
So at the end of the day do the masses really care about what is being collected? You can still search Google without a login. It may retain the search phrase but it doesn't relate it back to you, unless you want it to by logging in - same goes for DuckDuckGo.
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Re: The world of automation
Just thinking what they could do to generate at least a bit of revenue for the simple purpose of sustainability - maybe add some sort of affiliate tracking code for when (non-sponsored) store links show up for places like Amazon?
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Re: The world of automation
[QUOTE=Beoz;12048083]5. Android use it. (Forget Apple. Its a dead man walking)
Are you sure you don't mean Samsung? Last time I checked people were rushing to return their phone. I think I heard something about it starting a fire... must be some new feature aimed at campers.
Are you sure you don't mean Samsung? Last time I checked people were rushing to return their phone. I think I heard something about it starting a fire... must be some new feature aimed at campers.
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You won't remember that in 4 months when all is fine, its battery life is lasting 2 and a half days, whilst all the Apple sheep are rushing for the nearest powerpoint after 8 hours of use.
#240
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Can someone explain to me the direct negative impact to an individual of data being collected.
People say privacy, but I still dont get it. Google aren't the only ones that track your browsing activities, plus if your in the firing line, everything you do on the net is being tracked and those individuals are probably tracked and scrutinised off the net as well. All I personally see from googles data collection are time saving positives.
I think the whole privacy thing is blown totally out of proportion.
Now when and if AI or super computers can read thoughts or minds.... well thats a totally different story.
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