GarryP

The animated GIF on the previous page gives an idea what that kind of launch looks like. Reminds me of the launch of fighters on Battlestar Galactica.

The P90D with Ludicrous has been pissing off muscle car types at drag strips - a family sedan leaving their throaty beasts in the dust. I get the feeling that exhaust roar is going to sound old hat in 5 years - it'll be like vinyl bores in an age of streaming.

Shard

Ah ok. Was first looking at the GIF on my phone, and from the at speed point, so it didn't make much sense. But having re-viewed it from the start it does give a sense of the acceleration.

I don't think the appeal of exhaust roar will fade any time soon. Still plenty of car shows racing vintage vehicles and bikes. But on the whole cars will become an enthusiast domain, and there the parallel to vinyl might be apt.

Here's a good piece on the future of cars. A bit long, but worth a view when time permits.

GarryP

By the way, the usual base models are fast at 0-60 in ~5 sec. Not light speed, but still mixing it with the older Porsche 911s.

The dual motor versions are ridiculously fast at ~4 sec

The 'Ludicrous mode' version are, well ludicrous at ~2.4 sec

And the Roadster 2 will have 'plaid mode' at 1.9 sec

and if you want to know where the naming convention comes from :


I like how not seriously he takes naming ....

Here is the 'ludicrous speed' easter egg


And here is the video that GIF was lifted from, with the plaid mode easter egg (see 4m in)


Oh, and Musk has recently tweeted that the 1.9s will just be the base model. There will be an option pack to take it to the 'next level' -

Shard

Plaid mode.

Good videos.

Have never watched Spaceballs, maybe I will check it out.

Beoz

Ho ho ho. That is priceless stuff. Please never ever go into business for yourself. You will limit yourself to finite profit and no shareholder wants that.

Luckily for the industry, container transportation has grown and is projected to continue to do so. What are we just going to do - stop buying stuff from other places than where we live? Do you actually believe the stuff you write?

http://portsaustralia.com.au/assets/...iner-Ports.pdf

But this is the point, they don't have a 30% markup. Simple Google Shopping will show you that. Have you actually checked? Obviously not.

Beoz

Glad you agree. Garry seems to think they only want to cost cut which is laughable.

So how can they get more. Well driver 1. Relying on increasing need for transportation goods. As we become more and more globalised and manufacturing becomes more centralised, things need to travel from where they are made to other parts of the world. 2. If 1. fails which is unlikely, dominate your competitors (see tobacco companies - the very reason why they are still in business attracting growth, with a help from governments).

You and Garry need to align. Garry seems to think that transport around town is all human.

You forgot the other jobs. Marketing, Sales, Customer Experience, Website Developers, Automation Engineers, Software Developers, HR (I wish they would be automated out of existence).

Shard

Hmmmm. Not very convincing.

How about in an increasingly digital world the very need for physical 'stuff' is going to decline.

Beoz

Its just fact unless of course they invent teleportation, where physical things become particles, faxed from one location to the next and reassembled at the destination.

So you don't think we will have future requirement for physical things? Buildings, roads, bridges, for starters?

Shard

Hard to say, but it's possible that the proportion of virtual to physical consumption rises. Obviously, physical infrastructure will be safe.

GarryP

And with job automation, the ability to pay for stuff decreases (just look at retail sales).

And more, with automation, the likelihood is manufacture closer to market (cost and time savings), which means less shipping things around the world.

On the plus side, just in time delivery by drone is more a thing, particularly food.

Beoz

I suppose one day we can all have the ultimate 3D printer in the garage. It prints everything from clothes (as you mentioned) to TV's.

Beoz

You are nearly there. You conviently omitted the part about automation only increases if people are making money in order to make and implement technology.

Remember, tech companies are businesses too. They don't do things for free.

I think you are starting to get it.

Shipping is cheap. Its too costly to set up and maintain factories in every city around the world just to avoid shipping and to sell your crazy desire that freight is on the way out. There is no business benefit to that.


No money equals no drones. Catch 22.

Beoz

Garry. Time to put your money where your mouth is. Musk needs you. OUCH

http://www.smh.com.au/business/innovation/elon-musks-tesla-is-burning-through-10500-a-minute-as-model-3-problems-linger-20171121-gzq8p2.html

Shard

Sounding a bit ominous. Could Elon have bitten off more than he can chew?! He does seem to have a working prototype of the roadster, so 'founder funding' isn't as speculative as it could be, but engineering success and commercial success are two different games.

GarryP

Not really, the quarter being reported is when they were spending all the money for scaling up Model 3 production. Usual rates are much lower, and obviously that car will start turning over the cash soonish.

Even with the recent bad news etc. the Tesla Market Cap is still $53.41B

And Ford is $48.14B ....