fraser

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

russmcp

Lol, lose the argument, I'd say I have had some input, hoepfully put some points across, some may agree some maybe won't but this is not a points scoring excercise. If it's irrelevant why bring it up about most males before being 16 smoking? Get real.

Of course if you think you have beaten me in this forum I have no issue with that, though it is small minded.

I have been staggered by some of your comments, maybe your one of those people who have led a sheltered life and no disrespect meant to others who may be getting on, but possibly old as your comments strike me to be from someone who lived their lives in the 60's/70's?

Will wait with baited breath for an well thought out response.

Grayling

you really have problems with this subject don't you.

Perhaps you need help.

Grayling

Hey.....I lived through the 60's/70's as well.....please don't mix me up with this twisted nutcase.

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russmcp

Is it 1 in 10? Though isn't there some that say there is a scaling ladder in terms of peoples sexuality? Be interesting to find out how many have experimented when young, then when older feel it's not right for them. It's good to know we now live in a more tolerant society where people can hopefully experiment with how they are feeling there and then and hopefully not worry about the consequences later.

russmcp

As I said Grayling, no offence to the 'elders' besides, while some don't warm to your posts I always like what you say, fairly balanced view IMHO.

Grayling

I did not think you meant all of 'us'.

I think I am pretty liberal overall.

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seasprite

Just caught the tail end of this...
umm, aren't most sex crimes actually about power over someone? So it is all about the relationship not their sex..just a thought

Hutch

Q: Why do people leave the UK?
A: Because they can.

All the rest is just semantics and opinion - we all came from a western democracy that afforded us the opportunity to exercise some free-will - not all people have that same luxury.

If person A leaves because they think the UK's awash with dole-bludging east european migrants - so what?
If person B leaves because they're offended by the policies of the incumbent political party - so what?
If person C leaves because they're afraid they'll brush up against a 'homo' in some public lavs and turn gay - so what?

Everyone has their own rule sheet that makes perfect sense to them - to squabble over the small-print is futile - if mildly amusing.

BadgeIsBack

Yuuuppp. I've always said if people have i) a ''crap'' life (by their own admission) ii) and can leave - have a choice - then good for them.

BadgeIsBack

You're right Fraser - have to admit though I can see the peeve.

Filling in forms and going through loopholes vs people flying flags of convenience and turning up would peeve some people. I think it is nothing less than that.

jc_hoops

Get a life FFS.

Teenagers will experiment ? not on my council estate they did, only with the opposite sex.

So, later life acceptance for a gay man that has now gone and married would be "so easy" you reckon ? Whether you like it or not , there is a vast majority of people that just don't understand how a gizza can be attracted to another bloke. Horses for courses, but I just don't understand it myself. So, once you go down that route, I don't think it is that easy to just walk away from it and back into a life of normal relationships (hetero sexual ones) and all that surrounds that lifestyle friends, workmates etc.

Stats ? I must remember to start basing my opinions on stats now ahh

The comment about being taken advantage of - of course it is generalized, ITS MY OPPION. Do I believe in the statement - yes.

As for sexual experimentation - how many times do you see a group of mates talking about there previous gay lovers before getting married to there missus ? I can just see the local now, just a bit of general banter before going to the match

join life in the real world

wheatsheaf42

You only know what happened on your council estate from what people told you. You follow the rules. I know what happened both from what people told me and what I personally did. Because of traditional attitudes it is hardly surprising that people who are of different sexuality don't blurt it out for fear of being battered by the ignoramus' in society- or murdered in Jamaica.

Taking two examples that have come to my knowledge in the last few days one of my work colleagues, a male in his 20s, entered into a civil partnership last weekend. Not many people know- cos being in the male macho world of broking/dealing he fears the attitudes to him could change. In another case the son of a friend of mine went to uni a couple of months back as James and turned up home last weekend as Jemima much to the shock of parents.

The sooner people can accept that sexuality is something we are born with and not merely something environmental the better in my view society will become. Oh, for what it's worth, I am hetro. But should that actually matter? Shouldn't people be defined by things other than what they do between the sheets?

wardy2

Now I dont care whether people are gay, straight, bi, bendy, pink with sky blue dots or whatever as long as they are decent human beings.

But while at Uni studying I got to meet a group of woman who deliberately chose a gay/lesbian way of life not because they were born that way (their own admission, not my words) but because of their radical feminist political view point and their dislike of the male species and apparently there are quite a few of them who follow thier pattern according to them

But i didnt care who they disliked they bought the beers and we had a laugh thats all that matters.

That was a bit heavy talking sociology at silly 0 clock.

Just wanted to add a new perspective.

spartacus

Well said!