Who's your favourite Serial Killer?
Nov 30th 2010, 2:45 am
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Re: Who's your favourite Serial Killer?
You're unreal... its a thread on a chat board titled "Who's your favourite Serial Killer?". It's not the ****ing Old Bailey.
Was he convicted of murder.. yes, I think we can all agree on that.
Should he have been convicted...yes, I think we can all agree on that as well.
Did he physically kill anybody himself.. evidence would suggest, no, he didn't. I would say that we could all agree on that as well but you don't seem capable of agreeing about anything.
Was he convicted of murder.. yes, I think we can all agree on that.
Should he have been convicted...yes, I think we can all agree on that as well.
Did he physically kill anybody himself.. evidence would suggest, no, he didn't. I would say that we could all agree on that as well but you don't seem capable of agreeing about anything.
Nov 30th 2010, 2:46 am
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Re: Who's your favourite Serial Killer?
Like I said, he is guilty of first degree of murder. If it helps, let the prosecutor of the case have a go:
"Manson is guilty of all seven counts of murder under the vicarious liability rule of conspiracy. It is also called the joint responsibility rule of conspiracy... The law is clear then that once a conspiracy is formed, each member of the conspiracy is criminally responsible for and equally guilty of crimes committed by his coconspirators which were in furtherance of the object of the conspiracy."
In other words, Manson is a convicted killer. He didn't have to physically do it to be responsible, you see.
"Manson is guilty of all seven counts of murder under the vicarious liability rule of conspiracy. It is also called the joint responsibility rule of conspiracy... The law is clear then that once a conspiracy is formed, each member of the conspiracy is criminally responsible for and equally guilty of crimes committed by his coconspirators which were in furtherance of the object of the conspiracy."
In other words, Manson is a convicted killer. He didn't have to physically do it to be responsible, you see.
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Nov 30th 2010, 2:48 am
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Re: Who's your favourite Serial Killer?
Let me try this another way - if you put a bomb under someone's car, you did not kill them, the bomb did, but you are held responsible. Manson did this with people instead of bombs. Any issues you have with this should be directed at whatever state and federal laws convicted him.
Nov 30th 2010, 2:51 am
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Re: Who's your favourite Serial Killer?
Are you vying for candidacy on this topic?
Nov 30th 2010, 2:53 am
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If Manson had not killed anyone, he wouldn't have been found guilty of seven counts of first degree murder and sentenced to death. He is a convicted killer. People seem to have a problem with this.
Let me try this another way - if you put a bomb under someone's car, you did not kill them, the bomb did, but you are held responsible. Manson did this with people instead of bombs. Any issues you have with this should be directed at whatever state and federal laws convicted him.
Let me try this another way - if you put a bomb under someone's car, you did not kill them, the bomb did, but you are held responsible. Manson did this with people instead of bombs. Any issues you have with this should be directed at whatever state and federal laws convicted him.
Nov 30th 2010, 2:54 am
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Re: Who's your favourite Serial Killer?
Does that work for you?
Nov 30th 2010, 2:54 am
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Re: Who's your favourite Serial Killer?
You come across like you have OCD.
Nov 30th 2010, 2:56 am
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Re: Who's your favourite Serial Killer?
Five is waaaaaaaaaaay too high! . . . Pol Pot, Stalin, Hitler, Vlad the Impaler then Manson?! . . . you're not thinking straight surely . .
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Nov 30th 2010, 2:57 am
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I'm not disagreeing with you that he did not physically kill them, I have already made that clear. But we need to be clear that you don't need to do this to be guilty of murder, and if you are guilty of murder then you did it.
So Manson killed those seven people as a point of fact in law. This is all I am trying to say.
On the wider point, a more interesting issue is whether or not he is a serial killer. Despite the fact he is a convicted mass-killer, I would argue that he is not a serial killer because he didn't really have the right sort of profile - no method, no routines, repetition, etc.
So Manson killed those seven people as a point of fact in law. This is all I am trying to say.
On the wider point, a more interesting issue is whether or not he is a serial killer. Despite the fact he is a convicted mass-killer, I would argue that he is not a serial killer because he didn't really have the right sort of profile - no method, no routines, repetition, etc.
Nov 30th 2010, 2:58 am
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Re: Who's your favourite Serial Killer?
I'm not disagreeing with you that he did not physically kill them, I have already made that clear. But we need to be clear that you don't need to do this to be guilty of murder, and if you are guilty of murder then you did it.
So Manson killed those seven people as a point of fact in law. This is all I am trying to say.
On the wider point, a more interesting issue is whether or not he is a serial killer. Despite the fact he is a convicted mass-killer, I would argue that he is not a serial killer because he didn't really have the right sort of profile - no method, no routines, repetition, etc.
So Manson killed those seven people as a point of fact in law. This is all I am trying to say.
On the wider point, a more interesting issue is whether or not he is a serial killer. Despite the fact he is a convicted mass-killer, I would argue that he is not a serial killer because he didn't really have the right sort of profile - no method, no routines, repetition, etc.
Nov 30th 2010, 2:59 am
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Re: Who's your favourite Serial Killer?
http://listverse.com/2007/08/22/top-...erial-killers/
Nov 30th 2010, 3:00 am
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Re: Who's your favourite Serial Killer?
The prosecution rests its case....... Also if this helps - from the prosecutor:
"As I stated in my opening argument, if A and B conspired to murder X, and pursuant to that agreement B murders X, A, even though he was not the actual killer, is equally guilty of that murder. I don't care where he was; he could have been playing tennis, badminton, anywhere; he was [a] member of that conspiracy. He was guilty of that murder. That is the law of conspiracy, and there just are no ifs, ands, or buts about it."
"As I stated in my opening argument, if A and B conspired to murder X, and pursuant to that agreement B murders X, A, even though he was not the actual killer, is equally guilty of that murder. I don't care where he was; he could have been playing tennis, badminton, anywhere; he was [a] member of that conspiracy. He was guilty of that murder. That is the law of conspiracy, and there just are no ifs, ands, or buts about it."
Nov 30th 2010, 3:02 am
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