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mohogony Aug 12th 2010 6:03 pm

We can't stop the boats
 
http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/latest/...le-says-hawke/

"We cant stop the boats and we are all boat people" says Bob Hawke. Is he right should be let the boat people stay?

moneypenny20 Aug 12th 2010 6:14 pm

Re: We can't stop the boats
 
I'm not a boat person. I found the place from the air. :D I think there should be a law whereby no previous PM can ever be asked their opinion on current politics. At least he's funny most of the time. :D

Broad Shoulders Aug 12th 2010 6:18 pm

Re: We can't stop the boats
 

Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 8774134)
I'm not a boat person. I found the place from the air. :D I think there should be a law whereby no previous PM can ever be asked their opinion on current politics. At least he's funny most of the time. :D

except that would still allow d!ckheads like Mark Latham a voice

Amazulu Aug 12th 2010 6:18 pm

Re: We can't stop the boats
 
I hate socialists - mainly because of knobs like this.

NedKelly Aug 12th 2010 6:38 pm

Re: We can't stop the boats
 
I don't see any difference between arriving by boat or arriving by air. I think that anyone who arrives without a visa is an illegal immigrant and should immediately be treated as such and denied entry. If they have destroyed their identity paperwork they should be put on the first plane back from where they came from to get the proper paperwork.

lapin_windstar Aug 12th 2010 7:04 pm

Re: We can't stop the boats
 

Originally Posted by mohogony (Post 8774111)
http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/latest/...le-says-hawke/

"We cant stop the boats and we are all boat people" says Bob Hawke. Is he right should be let the boat people stay?

I'm surprised you're posting a thread about foreigners. You've never really shown an interest in the topic before.

mohogony Aug 12th 2010 7:09 pm

Re: We can't stop the boats
 

Originally Posted by NedKelly (Post 8774168)
I don't see any difference between arriving by boat or arriving by air. I think that anyone who arrives without a visa is an illegal immigrant and should immediately be treated as such and denied entry. If they have destroyed their identity paperwork they should be put on the first plane back from where they came from to get the proper paperwork.

Bob Hawke said it takes Initiative and courage to get to Australia illegally by boat so they should be allowed to stay. So l guess those who come to OZ illegally by plane dont have initiative and courage so they get deported while the boat people get to stay.

moneypenny20 Aug 12th 2010 7:10 pm

Re: We can't stop the boats
 

Originally Posted by mohogony (Post 8774208)
Bob Hawke said it takes Initiative and courage to get to Australia by boat so they should be allowed to stay. So l guess those who come to OZ illegally by plane dont have initiative and courage so they get deported while the boat people get to stay.

He forgot shedloads of money that could have paid for a legitimate visa.

brissybee Aug 12th 2010 7:21 pm

Re: We can't stop the boats
 

Originally Posted by Broad Shoulders (Post 8774138)
except that would still allow d!ckheads like Mark Latham a voice

I just can't believe he is being given airtime. I just hope it's temporary because I really don't like watching him.

moneypenny20 Aug 12th 2010 7:29 pm

Re: We can't stop the boats
 

Originally Posted by Broad Shoulders (Post 8774138)
except that would still allow d!ckheads like Mark Latham a voice

Life's not perfect, deal with it! :lol:

Vash the Stampede Aug 12th 2010 8:30 pm

Re: We can't stop the boats
 

Originally Posted by mohogony (Post 8774111)
http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/latest/...le-says-hawke/

"We cant stop the boats and we are all boat people" says Bob Hawke. Is he right should be let the boat people stay?

Yes he's right; we can't stop the boats. No, we shouldn't let every boat person stay. Each case must be judged on its own merits. Boat people can stay if (and only if) they are found to be genuine refugees.

No, we are not all boat people.

lapin_windstar Aug 12th 2010 8:41 pm

Re: We can't stop the boats
 

Originally Posted by mohogony (Post 8774208)
Bob Hawke said it takes Initiative and courage to get to Australia illegally by boat so they should be allowed to stay.

No, he didn't, you know.

He didn't say that asylum seekers were arriving illegally (he would have been factually incorrect if he had) and he didn't say they should be allowed to stay just because they had initiative and courage.

sonlymewalter Aug 12th 2010 9:21 pm

Re: We can't stop the boats
 
Hawkes a has been who needs to hang out with Latham:thumbup:

ABCDiamond Aug 12th 2010 9:37 pm

Re: We can't stop the boats
 

Originally Posted by lapin_windstar (Post 8774299)
No, he didn't, you know.

He didn't say that asylum seekers were arriving illegally (he would have been factually incorrect if he had) and he didn't say they should be allowed to stay just because they had initiative and courage.


The former Labor prime minister [Mr Hawke] repeated his attack on Mr Abbott describing him as "mad as a cut snake" and said Australia needed people like those arriving by boat to claim asylum because they had initiative and courage.

This wording of 'illegal' is often picked over.
The question is .. Is it legal for us to arrive in Australia without a Visa ?
If it is legal, then why won't they let us in without one ?
If it isn't legal, then it is illegal.

The odd thing is this bit..

Bob Hawke says there is no way to "stop the boats" as Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has claimed he will do to the asylum-seeking craft regularly arriving on islands off Australia's north-west coast.
Howard stopped them, so I don't see why Hawke says it can't be done, when it actually can be done.

sonlymewalter Aug 12th 2010 9:49 pm

Re: We can't stop the boats
 

Originally Posted by ABCDiamond (Post 8774362)
The former Labor prime minister [Mr Hawke] repeated his attack on Mr Abbott describing him as "mad as a cut snake" and said Australia needed people like those arriving by boat to claim asylum because they had initiative and courage.

This wording of 'illegal' is often picked over.
The question is .. Is it legal for us to arrive in Australia without a Visa ?
If it is legal, then why won't they let us in without one ?
If it isn't legal, then it is illegal.

The odd thing is this bit.. Howard stopped them, so I don't see why Hawke says it can't be done, when it actually can be done.

To be fair it depends I suppose mate as in effect you can't stop the boat people as they will always try but you can make it harder for illegal boat people to see this as an acceptable solution, which is what Howard did.

Hawke is a has been. who listens to him anyway mate:rolleyes:


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