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'Turnbull is digging himself the same hole as Abbott'.

Malcolm Turnbull has dug himself into the same hole that did for Tony Abbott
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'Turnbull is digging himself the same hole as Abbott'.

Malcolm Turnbull has dug himself into the same hole that did for Tony Abbott
You think? They were looking pretty good last night when they put this all over the news. I know you live on the other side of the world but please keep up.

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/kids/families-face-crippling-childcare-costs-as-rebate-cap-hits/news-story/4159d57c1fe512928637cc503c68fe93
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You think? They were looking pretty good last night when they put this all over the news. I know you live on the other side of the world but please keep up.

Families face crippling childcare costs as rebate cap hits
Ahh, News Corp, and in particular news.com.au - never knowing reporting the news truthfully.

You may have noticed that news.com.au has become a reprint factory - rerunning articles published elsewhere in lieu of journalism.

Strangely, they do sometimes put effort into editing the copy, like in this case where the key parts of the original story were deleted .... for some reason.

But key crossbenchers have refused to back it, saying cuts to paid parental leave and family tax benefits go too far.

Labor said it was surprising the Government was talking about this issue when it voted to continue the $7500 rebate.

“Labor would pass the child care changes if the Government
fixed the flaws, and dropped the cuts to families, pensioners and the 70,000 new mothers who would be worse off,” childcare spokeswoman Kate Ellis said.
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Ahh, News Corp, and in particular news.com.au - never knowing reporting the news truthfully.

You may have noticed that news.com.au has become a reprint factory - rerunning articles published elsewhere in lieu of journalism.

Strangely, they do sometimes put effort into editing the copy, like in this case where the key parts of the original story were deleted .... for some reason.
Sounds a bit like the far left wing Guardian then.

OK. Lets go left to the middle of the left spectrum

Child care, paid parental leave, family tax benefit changes introduced in omnibus budget savings bill - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Typical Labor though. They have no clue and don't get a few things as per usual.

Firstly, when you have one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world, who are you going to attract, to employ people, keep the money floating around the system.

Secondly, Labor are moaning about the women who are paid both maternity leave from the employer and government. Really? What? This lot are all over the place and don't have a single piece of consistency.

Thirdly they have no concept of paying for things. If you pay more for one area (because working mothers pay more in tax than they receive in Child Care benefits) you need to take from elsewhere. There is nothing wrong in putting those in there early 20's out to work or into study and having them give a little instead of taking a lot.

Then there's Nick X. He's own party don't even agree with his thoughts on this Bill but Nick X is so far up his own arse - its only a matter of time before he crosses the bench.
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What's this, divert and obscurate? Surely not from Beoz, or the coalition.

What was that first sentence?

The Federal Government has combined a range of stalled and revised welfare measures into a single bill to try to force nearly $4 billion in savings through the Parliament.
So, far from it being Labor delaying a necessary law - it's actually Trunbull and the coalition trying to force through unpopular measures that they don't have the numbers for, getting called on it, and then trying to divert from their misbehaviour by trying to point to a sub part of the bill and saying "look Labor is holding this up". All so they can give tax cuts to their mates/masters in big business. Despicable isn't it?

Typical Coalition though.
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What's this, divert and obscurate? Surely not from Beoz, or the coalition.

What was that first sentence?



So, far from it being Labor delaying a necessary law - it's actually Trunbull and the coalition trying to force through unpopular measures that they don't have the numbers for, getting called on it, and then trying to divert from their misbehaviour by trying to point to a sub part of the bill and saying "look Labor is holding this up". All so they can give tax cuts to their mates/masters in big business. Despicable isn't it?

Typical Coalition though.
This is where you fall apart. You have to go beyond the opening left wing paragraph - keep reading. When it gets in to the detail it all sounds really sensible right. Even the ABC bites its tongue as it gets into the detail - very hard for the ABC to swallow of course.

You can call it looking after big business if you like. So can Short sighted Billy Shorten. But deep down Billy knows its the right thing to keep Australia competitive - so do you. You just lost money in the GFC or something and have this axe to grind. Hell it was something he proposed a few years back - check out the hipocricy.
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I wouldn't put my house on it (mind the pun) and even though the Libs are saying otherwise, I reckon there's pretty good odds looming on a backflip to NG and/or CGT in the May budget - watch this space. Its the only tool in the box for the growing housing news.
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I had a chat with John Howard this morning at a WA election rally at the top of my road

Top bloke, still full of beans and switched on - to think we changed him for that asshat Rudd in 2007.......

That's what change for change's sake gets you
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I had a chat with John Howard this morning at a WA election rally at the top of my road

Top bloke, still full of beans and switched on - to think we changed him for that asshat Rudd in 2007.......

That's what change for change's sake gets you
.... and he loves cricket. Top marks.
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.... and he loves cricket. Top marks.
Hmm, a right winger who follows the Australian cricket team. I wonder why he gets top marks from you? I suppose Johnnie's a bit ahead of you though in that he was brought up with it and didn't adopt it.

Here's another top marks?

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Hmm, a right winger who follows the Australian cricket team. I wonder why he gets top marks from you? I suppose Johnnie's a bit ahead of you though in that he was brought up with it and didn't adopt it.

Here's another top marks?

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The rich coming from the guy who spent his prime years, dressed in an anorak, with a score book, perched in row 25 of the MCG with 20 other anoraks scoring shield games.

Just so you have something to look forward to, there's a bunch of sad old blokes who sit at lords near the media centre doing that day in day out for county games. Go and enjoy yourself.
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The rich coming from the guy who spent his prime years, dressed in an anorak, with a score book, perched in row 25 of the MCG with 20 other anoraks scoring shield games.

Just so you have something to look forward to, there's a bunch of sad old blokes who sit at lords near the media centre doing that day in day out for county games. Go and enjoy yourself.
10 to 15 years old prime of life.

After that I was getting myself to international level playing and coaching and following a career in business then teaching and travelling the world.
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Problem is with the voters understanding the value proposition of Turnbull. Versus the misunderstanding of what Shorten really offers.


Would a union member have the knowledge to fully understand the journey Turnbull is taking and the obstacles
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Problem is with the voters understanding the value proposition of Turnbull. Versus the misunderstanding of what Shorten really offers.

Would a union member have the knowledge to fully understand the journey Turnbull is taking and the obstacles
Nope and to be fair you can't really blame the union member. Turnbull like Abbott have real communication issues. These are complex problems with complex solutions. Not an easy communication issue to solve but they really need to break the complexity down for the simple man. Without that, they are just going to be picked of everytime by people like Shorten and the ABC.
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