Turnbull vs Shorten

Old Feb 12th 2017, 12:25 pm
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Ok ..... no need to get your knickers in another twist because your union man is going down.
My point was about Turnbull - your big business man if we are using meaningless labels. Is it possible for you to say that he's not performed well and he appears to be losing a lot of support to the further right party? The rise of Hanson in redneck wonderland is mainly due to coalition voters defecting to One Nation.

One Nation on the rise as Coalition slips

"Ahead of parliament returning from its long summer break, backing for the coalition has dropped to its lowest level since Mr Turnbull toppled Tony Abbott as prime minister.

After preferences Labor leads over the coalition 54-46 per cent."
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Old Feb 12th 2017, 8:04 pm
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My point was about Turnbull - your big business man if we are using meaningless labels. Is it possible for you to say that he's not performed well and he appears to be losing a lot of support to the further right party? The rise of Hanson in redneck wonderland is mainly due to coalition voters defecting to One Nation.

One Nation on the rise as Coalition slips

"Ahead of parliament returning from its long summer break, backing for the coalition has dropped to its lowest level since Mr Turnbull toppled Tony Abbott as prime minister.

After preferences Labor leads over the coalition 54-46 per cent."
Over here Sport

http://britishexpats.com/forum/barbie-92/bye-bye-liberal-government-will-you-ever-learn-876080/page69/

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Old Feb 13th 2017, 8:39 am
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Over here Sport

http://britishexpats.com/forum/barbi...876080/page69/

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Please keep up.
I'll ignore you in future as all you do is call me sport and redirect me to a pre election thread and a post - too lazy and unable to argue your position. I thought this was about Turnbull vs Shorten (and you introduced Trump then redirect me elsewhere). Why is Turnbull's support falling so much (if Shorten is so hopeless according to most posters in this thread)? Simple question.

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I'll ignore you in future as all you do is call me sport and redirect me. I thought this was about Turnbull vs Shorten (and you introduced Trump then redirect me elsewhere). Why is Turnbull's support falling so much (if Shorten is so hopeless according to most posters in this thread)? Simple question.
We don't know if support is failing until we have an election. Its been demonstrated, polls can't be trusted.

Are we going in circles again sport?
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We don't know if support is failing until we have an election. Its been demonstrated, polls can't be trusted.

Are we going in circles again sport?
Brexit and Trump and last election were very close contests and could have gone either way so you are saying all polls can't be trusted now because they were a few % out? (unless they show what you like to see). I saw a few polls which showed Turnbull's preferred PM rating 39% ahead of Shorten just after the election and now it is circa 9%. Take out any sampling error and that's dissatisfaction with Turnbull whichever way you look at it.

Incidentally did they teach you at your citizenship adoption ceremony to call people sport and adopt the Australian cricket team?

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Brexit and Trump and last election were very close contests and could have gone either way so you are saying all polls can't be trusted now because they were a few % out? (unless they show what you like to see). I saw a few polls which showed Turnbull's preferred PM rating 39% ahead of Shorten just after the election and now it is circa 9%. Take out any sampling error and that's dissatisfaction with Turnbull whichever way you look at it.

Incidentally did they teach you at your citizenship adoption ceremony to call people sport and adopt the Australian cricket team?
Not ever done an Aussie Citizenship ceremony. Well not personally. Have attended one as a supporter.
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Not ever done an Aussie Citizenship ceremony. Well not personally. Have attended one as a supporter.
Then I picked you up wrongly in the citizenship ceremony thread - you spoke of you and wife travelling on British passports and your child Australian and then mention the citizenship ceremony you attended. You gave the impression you acquired citizenship at the ceremony for which I apologise but do explain better next time. The first part of my post was ignored?
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The first part of my post was ignored?
I thought you were making a joke with that piece, like you were with the piece on citizenship.

Ok let me help you. Polls change and fluctuate over time. They don't matter until election day. Lots of water can pass under the bridge between a poll and election day.

This may help. The Brexit polls and how they fluctuated over time.

https://ig.ft.com/sites/brexit-polling/
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Turnbull will do but I much preferred Abbott. We need a real conservative PM and that he ain't (but neither was Abbott to be fair). He's centre-left in reality

But compared to Shorten he's the bomb. Shorten is an Australia-hating, socialist union hack who has achieved or done nothing - in business or politics. He married into the right family (nothing wrong with that just calling it how it is) and has zero vision for this nation

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Turnbull will do but I much preferred Abbott. We need a real conservative PM and that he ain't (but neither was Abbott to be fair). He's centre-left in reality

But compared to Shorten he's the bomb. Shorten is an Australia-hating, socialist union hack who has achieved or done nothing - in business or politics. He married into the right family (nothing wrong with that just calling it how it is) and has zero vision for this nation

Avoid at all costs
You can voice your choice at the next election.

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I saw a few polls which showed Turnbull's preferred PM rating 39% ahead of Shorten just after the election and now it is circa 9%.
Seems the uncommitted have been rising in favour and it seems to be coming off Bill Shorten in the past 6 months.



Anyhow, doesn't matter. Polls are useless indicators.
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I thought you were making a joke with that piece, like you were with the piece on citizenship.

Ok let me help you. Polls change and fluctuate over time. They don't matter until election day. Lots of water can pass under the bridge between a poll and election day.

This may help. The Brexit polls and how they fluctuated over time.

https://ig.ft.com/sites/brexit-polling/
You've told me to dismiss polls so why do you quote them? e.g. graph

Malcolm Turnbull less popular than Tony Abbott when he was dumped, new poll shows

Turnbull government popularity slips further in midst of Centrelink, entitlements controversies: poll

Malcolm Turnbull's popularity below Shorten's in new poll

And the latest one and just to head you off, from a right wing paper:

Malcolm Turnbull popularity lowest since Tony Abbott | Daily Mail Online
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So because all the polls are at odds with each other, what does it tell you? Ignore them right?
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So because all the polls are at odds with each other, what does it tell you? Ignore them right?
If it makes you feel better because you don't like what they show.
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If it makes you feel better because you don't like what they show.
Post 41. You'll find its more current than the dribble you dragged out from Feb 5.

You probably want to agree with me on polls. From where we stand here in Australia, Shorten in the polls is going to hit the wall and you will see the rise of the right in the polls.

Of course all that means nothing til election day. The left will be sprouting that one when the Hanson poll numbers start floating through.
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