Beoz

In case you missed it, the wreckers (Abbott) did it out of resentment. You know all about resentment. Perhaps you and Abbott need a beer together.

the troubadour

I feel your envy and can sing-along with it finally a NZ PM with interests in the people. Not just the Big End of town who most are bought by. You do need a certain 'level' granted to comprehend the meaning behind what I say, but when I write on this forum, I do tend to keep it simple.

Amazulu

What you write is simple (simplistic actually) so you've got that right!

BadgeIsBack

Ozzie - I have said this before - I think people forget that many Melbournians / Victorians and indeed Australians are small - business people and tradies. It is not as if everyone works in a factory in Dandenong. If people vote for Labour it might be students and people concerned about negative gearing - many Champagne Socialists will vote Green.

I can see Labour winning the next election simply because the Liberals could not solve their divisions- it is their turn, simply.

I would still vote for the Liberals, as they are not Bill Shorten - a massive hypocrite and a man who will say anything to look good and is married to the Gov General's daughter - I mean what does the average Battler think of that - and
the fact he has his knees under the table of the big end of town - and is nothing more than an administrator - having used unions to get his own career of the ground? What do battlers think of that - a white collar middle class boy with a better start perhaps in life than Turnbull, using their 'Hands off our Union" taking them for a ride? I don't get it...

Beoz

I have no problems with these traits. People generate good fortune in life and if Bullshit Bill has generated some then good for him. No one should resent him over that.

However he and his supporters suffer badly from Tall Poppy Syndrome and that I cannot stand with a passion.

bcworld

You're quoting Badge but it says you're quoting the troubadour...is that the issue you were talking about?

The Newspoll is out...Labor 56/44...Coalition primary vote at 33%.

carcajou

All of these people are terrible, in all of the parties.

My vote doesn't matter because my rural electorate is a one-pony show, but poor strategy from both Morrison and Dutton. I don't buy that either of those two (or Turnbull) are grand master strategists like the papers have been trying to say. I think they are opportunists and in the case of Morrison and Dutton, saw a chance to grab the brass ring and so lunged at it.

51/49 2PP for Labor is nothing for the Liberals to be concerned about. That was the result in 1998 and the Coalition retained Government on that. If anyone in the Coalition was "panicking" on 51-49, they shouldn't be in politics.

But now the Coalition will probably get belted and Morrison will get blamed for that. Maybe not by 12 points, but if they lose by something like 6-8 points, that is worse than the margin Abbott beat Rudd by in 2013, and the Dutton faction will say "see, should have listened to us" and the question arises what are they keeping Morrison around for? They will turf him and the Dutton brigade will emerge stronger, either under Dutton or someone else from that group.

Morrison is not nearly as famous outside the Canberra bubble as he is inside it. Most of the people I work with had no idea who he was until late last week. The media will try to protect him but because he is relatively unknown, he could be painted as a steward of good governance across portfolios, or a craven political opportunist who played a starring role in knifing two Prime Ministers in under three years.

Dutton also would have gotten belted by the ALP and also gotten the blame and been turfed out under a "see? Shouldn't have listened to the reactionaries!" type thing.

I thought the same thing when Kevin Rudd took back the Prime Ministership in 2013. Should have just let Julia Gillard go down with the ship and taken the mantle virtually unopposed after the election. Had he done that, Labor probably would have beaten Turnbull in the last election and Rudd would be PM now.
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Not that Labor should be that confident, has it even been two months since that Albanese was doing his own numbers on Shorten? Albo, Plibersek and Tony Burke all want to be Prime Minister the same way they want to take their next breath. When Labor wins in a few months, it will not be because of any love of the public to the ALP, Shorten or any of the other Labor characters, it will be because the Coalition is such a self-interested mess.

Double dissolution, and ban all the current members from standing again.

moneypenny20

Thanks bcworld. As I said Beoz, I've not seen any problems before this. It's kind of weird. I'll get Tech on to it.

Beoz

Weird. I definately replied to Badge. It's his text there. Not the problem I referred to. I seem to get the person I replied to plus someone else in the reply. I have to delete the other persons text.

ozzieeagle

Oh yeah I see what you mean!

the troubadour

Do it for you in part zulubro., as do attempt to reach out as far as possible, to as many as possible, if that means keeping it simplistic, so be it.

moneypenny20

That does happen if you previously hit the quote button on someone's post but then decided not to reply. Somehow the quoted bit can stay in the memory bank until you decide to quote someone later.