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Beoz Jul 2nd 2017 6:30 pm

Re: The Trumpmare is happening... Who will win?
 

Originally Posted by GarryP (Post 12285600)
A number of people are suggesting that not only is he a narcissist and a pyschopath, he's also well on the way to dementia,

When you say "suggesting" that would be the likes Guardian, CNN, NY Times right?

You really must stop reading these rags.

Amazulu Jul 2nd 2017 8:43 pm

Re: The Trumpmare is happening... Who will win?
 

Originally Posted by 007Steve (Post 12285357)
Trump hits CNN-headed man
Very dignified, very statesman-like.
Personally I'm waiting for the one where he pushes the big-red-button on his desk and the planet blows-up - Uproarious one!!
Oh, what a hero you have there USA.
:eek:

Onya Trumpie!!!

morpeth Jul 2nd 2017 11:48 pm

Re: The Trumpmare is happening... Who will win?
 

Originally Posted by GarryP (Post 12285600)
A number of people are suggesting that not only is he a narcissist and a pyschopath, he's also well on the way to dementia, with somewhat textbook characteristics. Personally I just think he's a c.......

He does however tend to highlight those people that shouldn't be allowed scissors though. Anyone still cheering him on after what he's done really need to be put on the same funny farm as himself.

For all the complaints, he did win the election with his strategy and tactics- better to be the dealer than the players ! And his antics now certainly distracting the media from more serious issues and potential scandal issues- so maybe there is a method to his madness.

Of the people I voted for Trump seemed some just hated Clinton, some just desperate for change in their economic circumstances, or sick of political correctness- I think most just held their nose and voted for him. Though I suspect most now seeing even his basic policy positions he wont be successful in implementing him.

I do think creeping dementia is a distinct possibility. Considering his fight with the deep state, both Republicans and Democrats in Congress, how does he have time to do such silly videos ? Is there any mechanism to force a medical evaluation ?

morpeth Jul 2nd 2017 11:50 pm

Re: The Trumpmare is happening... Who will win?
 

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12285609)
When you say "suggesting" that would be the likes Guardian, CNN, NY Times right?

You really must stop reading these rags.

CNN has been against Trump form the beginning, but both CNN and NY Times just playing into his hands now. They are letting Trump develop the narrative and responding almost on cue to his antics.

007Steve Jul 3rd 2017 5:38 am

Re: The Trumpmare is happening... Who will win?
 

Originally Posted by Amazulu (Post 12285656)
Onya Trumpie!!!

Well….. it’s the G20 this week isn’t it? Wonder what he’ll do there …
Merkel, your speech last week stank, I’ll lift you now - Pow!! Macron! Catch this you total loser - Biff!!
Where’s that gay one from Europe? - Splatt!!
Ah, Leadership... you know, I always wondered what they did in there, once the doors closed.
:cry_smile: :cry_smile: :cry_smile:

Beoz Jul 3rd 2017 8:06 am

Re: The Trumpmare is happening... Who will win?
 

Originally Posted by morpeth (Post 12285759)
CNN has been against Trump form the beginning, but both CNN and NY Times just playing into his hands now. They are letting Trump develop the narrative and responding almost on cue to his antics.

Really. I'd never had guessed.

What if Trump was right and CNN was just a fake news outlet ...... what if?

moneypenny20 Jul 3rd 2017 5:23 pm

Re: The Trumpmare is happening... Who will win?
 

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12286075)
Really. I'd never had guessed.

What if Trump was right and CNN was just a fake news outlet ...... what if?

And what if it wasn't. What if it turned out most of what they've written is factual? This fake news shit naffs me off no end. All media outlets twist the facts to suit,always have, always will. Just because someone doesn't like their spin or how something is written does not make the entire publication/station fake.

It's a stupid argument. Quoting an outlet and being put down because someone else doesn't like it is one thing, shouting 'fake news' is another and it's dumb.

scrubbedexpat098 Jul 3rd 2017 5:39 pm

Re: The Trumpmare is happening... Who will win?
 

Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 12286314)
And what if it wasn't. What if it turned out most of what they've written is factual? This fake news shit naffs me off no end. All media outlets twist the facts to suit,always have, always will. Just because someone doesn't like their spin or how something is written does not make the entire publication/station fake.

It's a stupid argument. Quoting an outlet and being put down because someone else doesn't like it is one thing, shouting 'fake news' is another and it's dumb.

That's the way arguments go nowadays though, there are a handful of buzz words that have been latched onto by both sides to instantly discredit your opponent. Racist, Islamophobe, Lefty, Far right Nazi, Fake news, the list goes on. Both sides do it, and because of the resulting lack of real debate, bugger all gets done, people turn to extremes, and the country turns to shit.

All because no-one likes admitting they might be wrong

GarryP Jul 3rd 2017 5:49 pm

Re: The Trumpmare is happening... Who will win?
 

Originally Posted by morpeth (Post 12285756)
For all the complaints, he did win the election with his strategy and tactics- better to be the dealer than the players ! And his antics now certainly distracting the media from more serious issues and potential scandal issues- so maybe there is a method to his madness.

People have considered, is he some Machiavellian genius, playing 43 dimensional chess? However, he's stuffed up so massively, and made such a tit of himself, that most people now agree that, yes, he is that much of an idiot as he appears - and so are his supporters. As I said before, he won because people are stupid.


Originally Posted by morpeth (Post 12285756)
Of the people I voted for Trump seemed some just hated Clinton, some just desperate for change in their economic circumstances, or sick of political correctness- I think most just held their nose and voted for him. Though I suspect most now seeing even his basic policy positions he wont be successful in implementing him.

Which is all very well except

a) there was amply evidence ahead of the election that he was a corrupt and dangerous idiot, in the lap of the russians, and

b) by now there is no debate as to how traitorous, how corrupt, and how destructive he is. For anyone that erroneously voted for the prat then, there is no excuse to still be supporting him now.


Originally Posted by morpeth (Post 12285756)
I do think creeping dementia is a distinct possibility. Considering his fight with the deep state, both Republicans and Democrats in Congress, how does he have time to do such silly videos ? Is there any mechanism to force a medical evaluation ?

Amendment 25, which is getting seriously talked about.

However, the attention now isn't on the buffoon, but the failure of the GOP as a whole to take responsibility and remove the whole sorry mess. It's their role, and they are once again failing.

Can you impeach and jail and entire political party?

Beoz Jul 3rd 2017 6:01 pm

Re: The Trumpmare is happening... Who will win?
 

Originally Posted by GarryP (Post 12286325)
People have considered, is he some Machiavellian genius, playing 43 dimensional chess? However, he's stuffed up so massively, and made such a tit of himself, that most people now agree that, yes, he is that much of an idiot as he appears - and so are his supporters. As I said before, he won because people are stupid.



Which is all very well except

a) there was amply evidence ahead of the election that he was a corrupt and dangerous idiot, in the lap of the russians, and

b) by now there is no debate as to how traitorous, how corrupt, and how destructive he is. For anyone that erroneously voted for the prat then, there is no excuse to still be supporting him now.



Amendment 25, which is getting seriously talked about.

However, the attention now isn't on the buffoon, but the failure of the GOP as a whole to take responsibility and remove the whole sorry mess. It's their role, and they are once again failing.

Can you impeach and jail and entire political party?

Impeachment has been tried - failed

Insanity is being tried and it will - fail.

The other side is clutching at straws now.

How about good old fashion democracy?

Beoz Jul 3rd 2017 6:03 pm

Re: The Trumpmare is happening... Who will win?
 

Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 12286314)
And what if it wasn't. What if it turned out most of what they've written is factual? This fake news shit naffs me off no end. All media outlets twist the facts to suit,always have, always will. Just because someone doesn't like their spin or how something is written does not make the entire publication/station fake.

It's a stupid argument. Quoting an outlet and being put down because someone else doesn't like it is one thing, shouting 'fake news' is another and it's dumb.

So far it is all fake news. It comes and then it dies a death. They have been trying to trip him up for a long time now and its failed so far. And with that record, maybe CNN and the other clowns aren't the bible you think they are.

Maybe, just maybe, Trump is winning here. After all, he did win the election

scrubbedexpat098 Jul 3rd 2017 6:06 pm

Re: The Trumpmare is happening... Who will win?
 

Originally Posted by GarryP (Post 12286325)
People have considered, is he some Machiavellian genius, playing 43 dimensional chess? However, he's stuffed up so massively, and made such a tit of himself, that most people now agree that, yes, he is that much of an idiot as he appears - and so are his supporters. As I said before, he won because people are stupid.



Which is all very well except

a) there was amply evidence ahead of the election that he was a corrupt and dangerous idiot, in the lap of the russians, and

b) by now there is no debate as to how traitorous, how corrupt, and how destructive he is. For anyone that erroneously voted for the prat then, there is no excuse to still be supporting him now.



Amendment 25, which is getting seriously talked about.

However, the attention now isn't on the buffoon, but the failure of the GOP as a whole to take responsibility and remove the whole sorry mess. It's their role, and they are once again failing.

Can you impeach and jail and entire political party?

I wonder if Clinton's got over being such a shit candidate that she lost to him.

GarryP Jul 3rd 2017 7:42 pm

Re: The Trumpmare is happening... Who will win?
 

Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 12286314)
It's a stupid argument. Quoting an outlet and being put down because someone else doesn't like it is one thing, shouting 'fake news' is another and it's dumb.

The problem is there is a segment of the population that has disassociated from reality. You can point to the evidence, data, even video of the orange one contradicting himself from 5 seconds earlier - they will still trot out those asinine 'fake news' shouts to try and cover up that they are wrong.

Some of these seriously do think that fact is debatable, that if they scream loud enough they will somehow magically become right. Loudness in place of thought.

Personally I think in decades to come trump will be seen as a symptom of a mass mental breakdown. I think they are suffering for a severe case of 'future shock', where the world not only changes too fast for them to keep up, but the reality challenges their entire worldview, and rather than contemplating and changing, they rage against reality. Obsolete viewpoints are trotted out as fact, the view is resolutely backward at the past, and a weak manbaby is seen as no threat to their own mental stability (even if he's pretty obviously suited to the funny farm).

I'm not sure how we get out of this, it might mean that they have to be jettisoned, but it's already obvious that we aren't going to go forward with them in any position of power - and given the known threats coming over the horizon, moving forward is non-negotiable.

Beoz Jul 3rd 2017 8:31 pm

Re: The Trumpmare is happening... Who will win?
 

Originally Posted by GarryP (Post 12286388)
The problem is there is a segment of the population that has disassociated from reality. You can point to the evidence, data, even video of the orange one contradicting himself from 5 seconds earlier - they will still trot out those asinine 'fake news' shouts to try and cover up that they are wrong.

Some of these seriously do think that fact is debatable, that if they scream loud enough they will somehow magically become right. Loudness in place of thought.

Personally I think in decades to come trump will be seen as a symptom of a mass mental breakdown. I think they are suffering for a severe case of 'future shock', where the world not only changes too fast for them to keep up, but the reality challenges their entire worldview, and rather than contemplating and changing, they rage against reality. Obsolete viewpoints are trotted out as fact, the view is resolutely backward at the past, and a weak manbaby is seen as no threat to their own mental stability (even if he's pretty obviously suited to the funny farm).

I'm not sure how we get out of this, it might mean that they have to be jettisoned, but it's already obvious that we aren't going to go forward with them in any position of power - and given the known threats coming over the horizon, moving forward is non-negotiable.

You could at least address me. Oh I forgot, when you can't sell an idea to someone, you stop addressing them.

Its a bit like this guy.

http://www.news.com.au/technology/science/archaeology/a-photo-a-man-who-appeared-to-die-while-masturbating-might-not-be-as-it-seems/news-story/ed1e9bfb6a60fba181bbdf013d73b140

If this was in some of your rags, he would have definately been masturbating. But you have to cut through the crap to get reality.

At the end of the day, Trump is still there, not impeached, not insane despite all the non factual information you have been throwing around care of you one sided journalist choices.

I don't support Trump, but I am a big supporter of fact and honesty, something your choice of journalism is not.

morpeth Jul 4th 2017 3:36 am

Re: The Trumpmare is happening... Who will win?
 

Originally Posted by GarryP (Post 12286325)
People have considered, is he some Machiavellian genius, playing 43 dimensional chess? However, he's stuffed up so massively, and made such a tit of himself, that most people now agree that, yes, he is that much of an idiot as he appears - and so are his supporters. As I said before, he won because people are stupid.



Which is all very well except

a) there was amply evidence ahead of the election that he was a corrupt and dangerous idiot, in the lap of the russians, and

b) by now there is no debate as to how traitorous, how corrupt, and how destructive he is. For anyone that erroneously voted for the prat then, there is no excuse to still be supporting him now.



Amendment 25, which is getting seriously talked about.

However, the attention now isn't on the buffoon, but the failure of the GOP as a whole to take responsibility and remove the whole sorry mess. It's their role, and they are once again failing.

Can you impeach and jail and entire political party?

I think many of the opponents of Trump have a time grasping that his supporters are just so fed up they don't care about his problems. I mean really his behavior getting to the point how could anyone not suspect he is getting dementia.


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