GarryP

Trump Executive Order Mk2 struck down because the court wasn't confused about what he was doing.

Worth reading the verdict, it's about as close to a smackdown of the president by a judge as you are ever likely to see.

http://www.politico.com/f/?id=000001...b-d5e934210000

It's nice to see Trump's words coming back to haunt him. It's the fact of what he's said that means he basically never going to get an Executive Order like this one past the court. He'd have to change it totally (as I said before).

In short, they are saying "you're a liar, and racist".

scrubbedexpat098

Hanson is a worthless piece of work, neither intelligent nor charismatic, suppose Australia should be happy that she trips herself up really. Now if we had Nigo !!! haha

Sharp learning curve for sure, 'no Donald you CAN'T have coke and candy machines in every classroom' . I still don't believe that the Don's intentions are wholly nefarious though.

Beoz

I think the US need to look at the quality of judges before looking at the quality of presidents.

Here's how confused that judge is.

Watson declared that "a reasonable, objective observer — enlightened by the specific historical context, contemporaneous public statements, and specific sequence of events leading to its issuance — would conclude that the Executive Order was issued with a purpose to disfavour a particular religion."

Therefore he wanted the executive order to be directed towards a religion but go so irritated that he could not find evidence to suggest it was.

"The illogic of the Government's contentions is palpable," Watson wrote. "The notion that one can demonstrate animus toward any group of people only by targeting all of them at once is fundamentally flawed."

In short he wanted an easy racist fueled reason, but failed, a bit like the rest of the lefties.

GarryP

I think Trump is more motivated by someone saying "no" to him now than it is anything else. His ego is writing cheques his competence can't cash (story of his life).

Saner, more sober, heads would have backed off by now - but then they wouldn't have tried Exec Order Mk1 in the first place.

All he's currently doing is depressing US tourist receipts.

Amazulu

It doesn't matter that Wilders didn't win (he was never realistically going to - and it really wouldn't be a good idea anyway) - he's put the Dutch and European political elites on notice that their attempted islamification of their country and continent via the policies of mass 3rd world migration and multiculturalism is over. The rollback and fightback by the unasked masses has begun

Bring it on!

OzTennis

Really? First Hanson and next Wilders - performed much worse than expected.

"The centre holds - Geert Wilders’s anti-immigration party does worse than expected in the Dutch election"

"It was supposed to be the kick-off of Europe’s year of populism. For months, analysts had speculated that Geert Wilders, the platinum-blond rabble-rouser who calls for the Netherlands to shutter its mosques and quit the European Union, might come first in the Dutch election, portending smashing wins for anti-Muslim Eurosceptics across the continent.It did not happen. On March 15th the Dutch delivered a vote of confidence in the competent centre.

http://www.economist.com/news/europe...geert-wilderss

Amazulu

Keep burying your head in the sand champ. I know that people like you and your ilk are happy with the islamification of the west - but the rollback of that has started. Wilders increased his number of MPs. Rutte will move to the right on immigration and multiculturalism. Le Pen will do the same in France. Job done

OzTennis

No, I have things in perspective 'champ'; it is you, like Wilders, Hanson etc who have it out of perspective.

OzTennis

Another few days in Trump land:

Continues to provide no evidence that Obama tapped his phones; Spicer and Trump come up with the ridiculous accusation that GCHQ spied on him which they later refute with a grovelling apology and blaming a former spy chief now working for Fox News for telling them they did that, GCHQ who normally never comment say the claim is pure and utter rubbish; refuses to shake hands with Merkel; video shows he did just that, tweets that the 'Fake News' are wrong in saying he did this, we had a great meeting and oh, by the way Germany, you owe use huge sums of money for defending you.

scrubbedexpat098

From this, the centre / left whatever one chooses to call them should be breathinh a sigh of relief and take the opportunity to start listening to ALL of their people and help steer them away from the far right. Sadly though, I think your post is representitive of what will ACTUALLY happen, a sigh of relief followed by more of the same.

People have been flag waving and outwardly supporting the PVV, but have sensibly stopped short of the cliff edge, but my question is this. If the centre / left continue to ignore the voice of the great unwashed, do you think they'll stop short next time? What you've been handed on a silver platter is the chance to regain the full confidence of your people, only a short sighted fool wouldn't learn a big lesson from what should be considered a wake up call. Zulu is right, consider notice served. Also, I reckon the Dutch public deserve a pat on the back for stopping short.

GarryP

Well here's a question. What do you think the great unwashed are saying that isn't heard?I'm kind of interested to think what sane, workable policies you think the left and centre should be pushing that they aren't?

Beoz

Why do you keep making this mistake? We've proven to you time and time again automation creates jobs. You failed to.prove otherwise.

It kills every other opinion you form around automation and makes the opinions of Steve and Zulu more and more valid.

scrubbedexpat098

If that is the message that the left are giving, then it's not sinking in is it? Immigration is at the heart of it, if as you say automation will destroy jobs, then why would people welcome competition for those jobs left?

Angela Merkel 'I reckon I'm gonna let a million refugees in'

Great unwashed 'Erm that's not a great idea, my job's already under threat, how about we get our own house in order first?'

Merkel 'la la la la I can't hear you, you pack of racists'

Great unwashed '**** you then you ignorant bitch'

That's it in a nutshell, I don't doubt there's a big fat lie behind it, but the right hasn't monopolised lying has it? They may as well hand out fliers to immigrants saying 'we let you in, vote for us when you're allowed' now there's a thing.

Amazulu

If you and your ilk keep up with this attitude I can guarantee things are going to end in tears. If someone from the western left was genuinely prepared to tackle the problems of radical islam and islamification and multiculturalism, then they would be listened to and become part of the fix. But they're not - only the right is highlighting the issues and coming up with (not sometimes agreeable) solutions. If we had a genuine centre in the west none of this shit would be happening

Wake up

GarryP

I'm not the one making the mistake.

Put it this way, I'm the one with the experts and evidence on my side. You are the one with wishful thinking and no idea of where these mythical jobs come from.

Also, I have the precautionary principle on my side.

You want to stand up an alternative PoV, you're going to actually have to prove your position.