Originally Posted by OzTennis

You are going round in circles and your fallback line is 'show me his policies'; there's enough out there on what he said and what he proposed as evidence. Show me how he didn't say what he said which is reported in those papers rather than just using the stupid line of you can't believe what you read in them. See the 1998 quote about Trump belittling Republicans as believing all they see on Fox News. You don't have an orange tan and a tuft of grass on your head by any chance do you?

I said there were similarities in attitude of supposed superiority (and implied inferiority of other groups) between Rhodes and Trump.

No more debate on whether Trump is racist or not - move on to something else.

Originally Posted by Beoz

Errrr circles? That would be you. If you can't pull out any racist policies then you got nothing.

You could of course pull apart his appearance, which is discriminatory in itself. Another prime example of left wing hypocrisy.

I think your remark above rests my case on the discrimination thing.

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter

I don't think he has articulated much in the way of real policy at this stage, but this might do you for starters. There is confusion in general about racism vs prejudice against the "other" whether it is racial, cultural or religious, but there you go.

ogress.org/donald-trumps-first-policy-plan-is-even-more-racist-than-you-think-it-is-1ca8b9d1245b


Donald Trump's call for banning Muslims from entering U.S. draws condemnation


And then, of course, one can take his general positions and be duly concerned about how that might play out in government. Frankly, voting for him would be embarrassment enough.

https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughTrump..._why_trump_is/

Originally Posted by verystormy

He has lots of policy and instead of looking at second hand / biased sources, why not just look at the actual source? https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter

Because what political candidates say about themselves is not always, um, reliable. I also look at what they have proven themselves to be. Pence has governed the state next door to mine, for example. Additionally, Trump has opened his own mouth loud enough over the last year that there has been plenty of source material floating around, live and in person

Facts are not "biased". They are just facts.

Originally Posted by Amazulu

Tariffs are a bad idea but at least we now have a major world leader who is a climate realist

Originally Posted by Amazulu

(what the western-haters call a denier)

Originally Posted by Amazulu

hopefully there is still time to save our economies from the onerous tax burden (aka increasing electricity prices) that is soon to hit

Originally Posted by Amazulu

Happy days ahead

Originally Posted by verystormy

First, Trump and policies. I don't understand the commotion about it. I have read in detail his policies and actually, there is nothing in them that hasn't been in previous Republican policies at some point. Even the wall is not a new idea - it was first put forward by GOP in the 90's.


Second, the reason for him being elected. This is more complex, but, also obvious in at least part. People no longer trust the political elite. In recent years we have had the USA equivalent of Labour in power - Democrat President. But, in this same period, working class and middles class have seen their living standards fall, often their incomes fall in real terms, the rich have become richer and the gap between rich and everyone else become bigger. This while having a president who would have been expected to have reversed this or at least have had an impact. During the 8 years of Obama, the biggest growth in jobs in the USA has been for minimum wage or less roles such as the gig economy of Uber drivers and things.


So, people are becoming more and more desperate. All of the people that voted for Trump are not racists or any other label. Theses are mainly just normal people who are getting desperate. They needed someone to turn to that just might offer something other than more of the same, because more of the same means an ever downward spiral for many.


Even now, the politicians in the light of analyzing the reasons are still not getting it. We have in the last days had the British PM telling us that globalization needs to be a bit kinder but that it is still the best way forward. We have had the same message only yesterday from Obama. So, they know there is a problem with what globalization has done, but they don't see the extent. Unless they have a radical rethink the public will continue to feel more alienated from the political system and start to turn more to someone who offers them something different. There lies the dangers. It hasn't made the news as much but, there have been two other elections in recent days - Bulgaria and Moldova and both have resulted in politicians that are pro Moscow rather than pro EU / liberal / supporters of globalization. This will go on and the risk is not Trump or UKIP / Brexit, it is the one that comes along that garners support with truly bad ideas.


In my profession, we have a saying, the past is the key to the future, yet as societies we don't get that. In the past, we had a country whose people were being left behind economically. Who started to feel they were being rejected by the established political elite and that the elite would see them continue to head downward. Eventually a man came along who offered them a way out. He had some bad policies as well and some outright distasteful ones, but people were happy to turn a blind eye to the bad as they were desperate enough to want the good bits. The economic improvement or at least no further fall in economic standards. There is a saying "The starving man has no fear of the gaol in order to put bread on his table". That country was Germany, the man Hitler. The politicians of today are getting the warning messages, but not listening to them

Originally Posted by astera

Take America for instance. It's a great nation because of the smart people that made it great and strong - the backwards rednecks who occupy the centre are simply additional baggage that everyone else is tugging along.

Originally Posted by OzTennis

No but I've read and heard the evidence that the experts have presented and on balance it is a serious problem facing the world which needs to be addressed. 97% of climate scientists agree.

http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

Originally Posted by OzTennis

But the consumer (most of whom are taxpayers) contributes to the problem.

Why not shift the billions from building the Mexican wall to addressing the more serious problem and there won't be any increase in US taxes?

Originally Posted by astera

Oh, how is that? Is he a so-called realist because you subscribe to his philosophy of bypassing science and commonly-available data?

Plus he's hardly a leader at this stage... whether he truly becomes one is yet to be decided (albeit the ball is in his court).



Funny how you like to label people as "western haters" for being the most intellectually-capable people in the western world. Your so-called "western haters" are in fact the strength of the west and the reason why it's the dominant force in both global economics, science and human rights.

Take America for instance. It's a great nation because of the smart people that made it great and strong - the backwards rednecks who occupy the centre are simply additional baggage that everyone else is tugging along.



Hopefully we'll stop polluting the world and start taking care of it for once. Can't hurt either way, no matter how you view (or choose to ignore) science.



For sure, though lately the Russians (aka true western haters) are the only ones who are happy with results. Brexit... Trump... Putin must be popping champagne corks around the clock nowadays.

Hopefully someone will wake up soon and choose a tougher stance on the greatest source of destabilisation affecting the west.

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter

I don't think he has articulated much in the way of real policy at this stage, but this might do you for starters. There is confusion in general about racism vs prejudice against the "other" whether it is racial, cultural or religious, but there you go.

ogress.org/donald-trumps-first-policy-plan-is-even-more-racist-than-you-think-it-is-1ca8b9d1245b


Donald Trump's call for banning Muslims from entering U.S. draws condemnation


And then, of course, one can take his general positions and be duly concerned about how that might play out in government. Frankly, voting for him would be embarrassment enough.

https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughTrump..._why_trump_is/

Originally Posted by Beoz

Errrr circles? That would be you. If you can't pull out any racist policies then you got nothing.

You could of course pull apart his appearance, which is discriminatory in itself. Another prime example of left wing hypocrisy.

I think your remark above rests my case on the discrimination thing.

Originally Posted by Amazulu

We'll see about Putin. NATO has made an error to a degree with expansion into Eastern Europe - a move bound to antagonise Russia.