Originally Posted by stevenglish1

Reviewed it, I'm right and you're wrong, have a re-read yourself.

To go forward as a nation of Australians, not black, white whatever Australians is an ignorant stance?? You're beyond help. If the country is having trouble healing, it's because of people keep picking the scabs.

Originally Posted by knockoff nige

What? I never said that we must remain divided by race. I have no idea where you got that from. Well at a guess I'd say it came from your blinkered attitude to the problem.

Originally Posted by stevenglish1

If you think someone who wants racial harmony is blinkered then this is a pointless argument.

Originally Posted by knockoff nige

I never said that either. You're doing a good job of misquoting.

Originally Posted by stevenglish1

Says the bloke who says I think genocide is a good thing, like I said, pointless

Originally Posted by knockoff nige

Oh man. I've said this to you before. My post wasn't directed at you. You decided to jump in and start shouting the word 'apologise' around. Go and grab a coffee and wake the **** up!

Originally Posted by stevenglish1

Directed at me or not, it was complete rubbish and needed addressing before you made a fool of yourself, sadly I failed. Seeya Nige

Originally Posted by OzTennis

I know how it was done then, I know you weren't there, I know you weren't to blame, I know there was no consul(t)ation (nor consolation) then..... zzz. The fact that you think it is a 'stupid picture' shows that can only look at everything from the viewpoint of the original boat people. It's no surprise that you look at modern issues in a similar manner

It's both interesting and shocking (to me) to see what Churchill said about colonialism: “I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place”.

A modern commentator on this said 'we hopefully know today, that there is no higher-grade race, the question is are we going to fake blindness or see history for what it really is.'

The funny thing is that the same Churchill signed the Atlantic Treaty with Roosevelt in 1941 to set out a blueprint for a post war international system. It included decolonisation - the right of the colonised people to independence - and was the forerunner to the United Nations - which tries to promote world peace and stop acts of aggression and invasion.

A few discussion points, hope it helps.

Originally Posted by knockoff nige

What was complete rubbish? That someone on here was in favour of the slaughter of aboriginals which led to their cushy life in Australia? Sadly, it's not rubbish.

Originally Posted by stevenglish1

If the country is having trouble healing, it's because of people keep picking the scabs.

Originally Posted by Beoz

Poetry

Originally Posted by stevenglish1

Oh do shush, no-one was in favour of it, not one person. What was said is that the past has led to our present, and we shouldn't geel guilty about it. Who's mis-quoting now? It's you that needs to wake the **** up dude, it's 2017, look forward not back.

Originally Posted by knockoff nige

Eh? Wrong. Please review thread again and get a clue.

Originally Posted by Amazulu

Err, people change their minds you know - or is that not allowed? I'm imagining that Churchill made those comments at a time when these kind of beliefs were widely held in the western world - so more revisionist, SJW mumbo jumbo from you

You were born here and have benefited from the things the British and their colonialism did for the western world. Therefore, with your current viewpoint, you are arguing against your own existence! Bizarre

Originally Posted by OzTennis

Interesting point you raise. It's a generalisation but there is a tendency for there to be a 'guilt society' in the west (and christian religions) whereas in the east, China and Japan especially, (buddhism, confucianism etc) it is a 'shame society'. A cultural/religious thing. In simple terms the reason the Japanese took so long to admit their war guilt is the shame that would come with it. A westerner tends not to think along those lines. Mind you it took until 2008 for Kevin Rudd to apologise to the stolen generations and yet there was an outcry from some quarters of 'what for?'

It's a giant leap though to hint (I'm not suggesting you) that we should not feel guilt in the west because they don't seem to in the east. There's no excuse in the context of the way we think now to excuse slavery, transportation, mass executions, compulsorily acquiring land and wealth which took place in the name of the British, Dutch, French, Italian, Spanish etc crowns. The 'it happened, get over it, move on' argument tends to ignore the lessons we can learn from past mistakes.

The argument that native people were brought 'superior culture' and they should be grateful ignores that this was done by force and without consulting these people as to whether they wanted it or not*. A man who forces himself on a woman justifies with the same logic - this will do you a lot of good, I know what's best for you.

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