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Richie Redlands Nov 20th 2010 9:43 pm

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I hope and pray the trapped 29 miners in NZ are alive and will be rescued soon.
It must be one of the unholiest jobs in the world and I know many an Expat has come over here and their to make a buck, each to their own and it must be in the back of a miners mind every day they go to the face......especially tomorrow.:fingerscrossed:

Bernieboy Nov 20th 2010 9:46 pm

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Indeed,let's hope it has a good outcome:fingerscrossed:

Pollyana Nov 20th 2010 10:19 pm

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Worst sort of waiting game at present. Can't get into the mine cos of the danger of gas and explosion, plus they think something may be burning underground. Aus sent mine safety experts from Qld and NSW yesterday, but all they can do at present is monitor the gas levels and wait......

BigH68 Nov 21st 2010 12:00 am

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I hate to say it but I dont hold out much hope for the poor buggers.....too many nasty gases and too long to get the oxygen down in their again, their self rescuers dont last that long

Pollyana Nov 21st 2010 12:08 am

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Originally Posted by BigH68 (Post 8994796)
I hate to say it but I dont hold out much hope for the poor buggers.....too many nasty gases and too long to get the oxygen down in their again, their self rescuers dont last that long

I agree, I just posted on the thread in the NZ forum that it doesn't look good. No-one really knows how bad it is inside, but with poisonous gas and something burning its not looking good as time goes on, is it.

verystormy Nov 21st 2010 12:10 pm

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As a underground miner, we know the risks and we are thinkingt about them. But as others have said, i think their chances are poor. If the mine is full of gas then their only hope is a rescue chamber, but i believe they have been able to comminicate with the chamber but to no response.

I think that everytime we use electricity, or pick up pretty much any item of modern day living from a mobile phone to a toaster, we should take a moment to remember the miners who have died in producing the material to make it.

Amazulu Nov 21st 2010 12:11 pm

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Trapped - and dead.

Very tragic.

Pollyana Nov 21st 2010 5:12 pm

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Reading through some of the info we've been getting through work. No doubt a lot of people have seen that there's also been a mine entrapment in China over the last couple of days, latest in a long line in that country. This article (and others) has an absolutely terrifying statistic in it -
China's mines are the world's deadliest; more than 2,600 miners died in accidents in 2009.

verystormy Nov 21st 2010 6:58 pm

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Originally Posted by Pollyana (Post 8996158)
Reading through some of the info we've been getting through work. No doubt a lot of people have seen that there's also been a mine entrapment in China over the last couple of days, latest in a long line in that country. This article (and others) has an absolutely terrifying statistic in it -
China's mines are the world's deadliest; more than 2,600 miners died in accidents in 2009.

From my experience that is a big underestimate. I worked in a town in the north east of china exploring for gold and the town had a underground coal mine and in the 4 months i was there, there were fatal accidents pretty much daily. It seemed that they had calculated the cost of installing ground supprort - mess and cable bolts and worked out it was cheaper to just pay out the widows than install it.

Pollyana Nov 21st 2010 7:45 pm

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Originally Posted by verystormy (Post 8996304)
From my experience that is a big underestimate. I worked in a town in the north east of china exploring for gold and the town had a underground coal mine and in the 4 months i was there, there were fatal accidents pretty much daily. It seemed that they had calculated the cost of installing ground supprort - mess and cable bolts and worked out it was cheaper to just pay out the widows than install it.

Its shocking isn't it, and while not wanting to detract the attention from the situation in New Zealand it seems so wrong that so many miners die in China and it goes virtually unnoticed. I knew there were a lot of incidents over there but never realised it was quite so many :(

verystormy Nov 21st 2010 7:49 pm

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It is getting significantly better. But mining underground will always have its dangers and they ar multiplied when it is a developing country and a company that is from a developing country. There are safe mines in places like china, but they are operated by western companies

iamthecreaturefromuranus Nov 23rd 2010 12:49 pm

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http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8168807

Possible that these poor sods will never be recovered.

ponyrama Nov 23rd 2010 1:53 pm

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My OH works in a mine and he is very pessimistic about these guys chances. Apparently the explosion will have created temperatures within the mine of between 1200 and 1500 degrees. I dread to think what state any survivors, if there are any, are in. I just hope that whatever the outcome they find them quick - for the miners and their families on the surfaces sake.

The differing mine safety practices across the world really do make you wonder. Him indoors works for one of the biggest and most profitable, but they dont scrimp a cent on safety. They evacuate the pit for the slightest thing, and at even a hint that one of the two forms of egress might be in doubt - out they all come. The mind boggles how in other places they are expected to work in such dangerous conditions. :confused:

Grayling Nov 23rd 2010 3:19 pm

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There has just been another explosion.

The news is reporting that it is very unlikely there are any survivors

ponyrama Nov 23rd 2010 3:29 pm

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Originally Posted by Grayling (Post 9000549)
There has just been another explosion.

The news is reporting that it is very unlikely there are any survivors

Thats awful. I know it must be frustrating for those waiting for news to see how cautiously they've been moving, but justified caution now that another explosion has occurred, which has probably saved the lives of those who would otherwise be in the mine trying to rescue those trapped. :(:(:(

jad n rich Nov 23rd 2010 4:59 pm

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Found it quite upsetting at how many very young men were among the miners :( 17, 21 etc..

So very very sad, my middle son turns 17 next month and I was looking at him, in the school uniform and thinking at that age a kid was down the mines and died:(, they are just kids. Those poor parents.:(

Pollyana Nov 23rd 2010 5:55 pm

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...24/3075472.htm

The close-knit community of Greymouth is struggling through its darkest hour in the wake of a second mine explosion that has left no hope of survival for 29 men trapped underground.

Authorities say the latest explosion, around 2:30pm local time, has left no hope for the men.


We can only hope and pray that the bodies can be recovered to at least allow people to see farewell to their loved ones.

Richie Redlands Nov 23rd 2010 6:12 pm

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Tragic for the 29 families and I understand one poor boy was on his first day.:( fate....
Very emotional and upsetting, I hope they can be retrieved and laid to rest, just before Christmas and these families may not get closure because of the danger that is still present.

Kapri Nov 23rd 2010 7:01 pm

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Tragic news :(

What an awful year it has been for New Zealand.

Kapri Nov 23rd 2010 7:02 pm

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Originally Posted by jad n rich (Post 9000674)
Found it quite upsetting at how many very young men were among the miners :( 17, 21 etc..

So very very sad, my middle son turns 17 next month and I was looking at him, in the school uniform and thinking at that age a kid was down the mines and died:(, they are just kids. Those poor parents.:(

Totally agree Jad. They were probably just looking to make a few bucks before they went off to do whatever they wanted to do.

So sad :(

verystormy Nov 23rd 2010 7:56 pm

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RIP to my fellow underground miners. We who work in the depths are thinking of you and your families. Turn off your camp lamp now mate let us carry the burdon onward.

Bernieboy Nov 24th 2010 1:25 am

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Very sad, RIP.

BigH68 Nov 24th 2010 10:43 am

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Originally Posted by Richie Redlands (Post 9000754)
Tragic for the 29 families and I understand one poor boy was on his first day.:( fate....
Very emotional and upsetting, I hope they can be retrieved and laid to rest, just before Christmas and these families may not get closure because of the danger that is still present.

and he wasnt supposed to start until the following week...he was too excited to wait

Pollyana Nov 25th 2010 7:20 am

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Specialist equipment and teams from Australia will arrive in New Zealand today in the hope they can make the Pike River coal mine safe enough for the bodies of the 29 miners to be recovered.


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