Beoz

I thought you didn't support the Labor party. I knew that would get your attention.

Historically the Labor party may have been in part responsible for certain worker laws. We are now at a point where the historical values of the Labor party are no longer required.

Historically the Labor party have also been responsible for economic decline and economic mismanagement.

The Labor party wreck it, the Liberal party fix it.

Again we are currently in a fix it cycle. Lots of jobs, debt reduction, restructuring and balancing of taxes, and ultimately fair and honest good for all.

Its a shame you and much of the population believe things like mediscare over economic policy. Lucky the wrong team lost and only policy became a write off and the other lot are now in a position to demonstrate what a good economy brings for all. Not just a few who believe unionism is still a required thing.

As I have said before unions and the Labor party could still have their place if they modernised and helped business and their workers make money. But no, they still want to rape the employers and create an us and them mentality. Old school stuff.

the troubadour

You live in cloud cuckoo land I'm afraid if you think the Lieberals will support the majority of the population.


Unless of course you consider the dismantling of the welfare state, brick by brick, the onus on massive tax cuts to corporations and the extreme wealthy, will somehow trickle down to assist the majority?


You could do worse than read the history of the formation of the American Middle Class as a result of government intervention. Oh how that nation prospered.


Acting as managers as laissez faire economics does few any good. Apart from the corporates calling the shots and the wealthy squirreling it away.

the troubadour

No they want a fair deal in an ever increasingly unfair world. Neo Liberal economics has run its course and well on the nose. In the Australian context, it is responsible in building an ever increasing unjust society.


I think workers do their share at the moment to make their employer money. Corporates forever looking to bring down costs.


You are so one eyed on the matter of unions and fairness that even the IEA might blush. Not they would likely disagree, just that they wouldn't necessary want to broadcast loudly their right wing agenda to the public at large.


The Lib's have an odious job at hand attempting to sell such rubbish as well.

GarryP

Still don't, but I can give credit where it's due. Nearly every advance in society and living standards have come from the left or the centre over the last 60 years.

Almost exactly the opposite. In an age of globalisation we need next level protection of worker rights, on a worldwide basis, same as the multinationals, such that there can be no race to the bottom.

Err, nope. Evidentially its the right wing parties that have presided over economic mismanagement and stuffup.

Abbott and Trunbull - they say "nah"

I think you've mistaken 'fix it' for 'f**k it up'. There is nothing about the current maladminstratation that's creating jobs, reducing debt, or doing anything positive. Again evidentially.

Sounds like a freudian slip there. Can't keep the lie straight in your own head?

You mean like laissez faire business governance and trickle down economics? I'll take "things that have been conclusive proven not to work, but which are still coalition policy" for 10 points.

Beoz

So moving forward you will be voting Labor again? Throw me the awesome Bill Shorten policies that help many, not a few.

the troubadour

So failing to address any of the points raised I'll respond in kind. A critique of the horribly flawed Liberal Party does in no way endorse the ALP.


Just because Bill Shorten may not be the desired alternative, does in any way mean the Turnbull lot should not be held to account and just deserves in the next election carried out. That being the rubbish bin of history. Australia needs far better, Australia deserves better.

GarryP

Well, as you well know, it's a STV system, so it's question of how far down you go/have to go. Obviously nobody sane votes above the line.

In general Labor would be somewhere in the middle of the pack, probably in the lower half. The coalition would be at the top of the 'loony' block - lumped in with the Hansons and the Fred Niles types - but above them , just.

As for positive labor policies that help the many, not the few, opening the Labor policy booklet, at the front, we have coding in schools, STEM teaching, debt free STEM university education and startup capital through tax incentives. Disagree with any of that?

Practical Policies That Put People First - Australian Labor Party

Beoz

Not at all. STEM promotion is good for all and oddly for you, a Libs policy also.

Well how about that. A policy turned into action.

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-07/pm-malcolm-turnbull-unveils-$1-billion-innovation-program/7006952?pfmredir=sm

That ALP policy booklet is a comical read.

The ALP will ensure cleaners get fair pay and conditions .... give me a break. Is that really necessary? Not something the benefits all.

I also notice they state they agree with Tony Abbotts "Stop the Boats" policy.

The ALP are a joke.

the troubadour

The Liberal Party of Australia thanks you for mindlessly toeing the line and wish there were more people with the same principled concern for others and the nation they inhabit.


You are requested to start a recruitment drive, leave out details and facts. Something along the lines of.......


'Tired of thinking for yourself? Come and join the new and improved Liberal Party and leave the thinking to us.'

GarryP

Well that's one little bit of the total ALP policy; what they coalition is targeting is investors, not inventors; and it's been a bust.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/0...cience_agenda/

I must be missing the coalition policy to allow 100,000 STEM students to graduate debt free. Rather I'm seeing higher fees being the coalition aim...

Shhh, your bias and dismissal of those at the bottom is showing ....

Beoz

Your register article is very bias and focuses only in one direction.

Here's another to go with the ABC article you give you a helping hand.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/innovation-statement-what-you-need-to-know-about-malcolm-turnbulls-plan-20151206-glgzhs.html

Helping inventors and giving away free tuition before ensuring these STEM beneficiaries have a place to work and make money is a cart leading the horse idea. Again another simplistic dumb arse left wing vote catcher.

Besides, we do not need to give away free university degrees. Students are more than capable paying their debt providing the jobs are there to walk into. Tell me - what realistic benefit for ALL is free tuition for STEM subjects? How is that not discriminatory towards other needed industries? You know things you hate like finance.

Have you actually thought deep enough about this?

Why would you discriminate against cleaners and call them the "bottom". Thats what your ALP are doing too. That's really insulting to cleaners and discriminatory towards people doing other occupations.

Again the hypocrisy of the left wing and the ALP.

the troubadour

Well the cleaning industry being heavily non unionised and reliant on part time, casual and overseas workers, (often not in tune with rights) is an area fully exposed to exploitation and abuse. That's where the insult lays.
The hypocrisy of The Right in pretending to care would be equally insulting.

GarryP

Truth tends to do that ...

Beoz

Best you've got?

Beoz

Rubbish. (Mind the pun). There are plenty of unions for cleaners.