Tony Abbott new Lib leader
Dec 3rd 2009, 12:41 am
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Re: Tony Abbott new Lib leader
I don't think many Australians would disagree with you....that's why the US model has never been proposed as an option.
Dec 3rd 2009, 4:22 am
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Re: Tony Abbott new Lib leader
This is a disaster for politics in Australia. I'm definitely no fan of the "Liberal" party, but having a strong opposition is absolutely vital to have a functioning two party democratic system.
I still much prefer the current sad state of affairs to John Howard being PM though!
I still much prefer the current sad state of affairs to John Howard being PM though!
Dec 3rd 2009, 4:37 am
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Re: Tony Abbott new Lib leader
Tony Abbott is a Pom born in London , suprised l don't think anyone here mentioned it.
There was some scandel a few years ago where his was re united with his long lost adopted son and they became friends but then a DNA test showed he was'nt actually the father.
There was some scandel a few years ago where his was re united with his long lost adopted son and they became friends but then a DNA test showed he was'nt actually the father.
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Dec 3rd 2009, 7:13 am
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Re: Tony Abbott new Lib leader
He looks like Tony Blair with those big ears.
Dec 3rd 2009, 9:10 am
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Re: Tony Abbott new Lib leader
He's not British.
Dec 3rd 2009, 9:38 am
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Re: Tony Abbott new Lib leader
You are assuming a 70 year supply based on CURRENT KNOWN reserves. That does not include reserves not yet located or improvements in reactor/power plant efficiency.
Yes you cannot avoid the problem of waste but please name another base-load power generation method that could be used in Australia on a suitable scale [geothermal is in its infancy; solar cannot base-load yet; wind is not suitable] without emissions [rules out coal, oil and gas].
Also if the scientists EVER get fusion to an scale suitable for power generation the problem is solved. The production prototype is scheduled to be completed by 2018 with the production version [generating the same power as a power station] running by approx 2040, although the engineering technology is somewhat advanced
Yes you cannot avoid the problem of waste but please name another base-load power generation method that could be used in Australia on a suitable scale [geothermal is in its infancy; solar cannot base-load yet; wind is not suitable] without emissions [rules out coal, oil and gas].
Also if the scientists EVER get fusion to an scale suitable for power generation the problem is solved. The production prototype is scheduled to be completed by 2018 with the production version [generating the same power as a power station] running by approx 2040, although the engineering technology is somewhat advanced
Wind power is quite consistent when you have a decent geographical spread - whilst the wind might be still in one area it can be blowing hard in another - basically allowing one to average-out the power generated across the network as a whole.
The pumped hydro storage system is already used in conjunction with fossil fuel plants all over the world and we merely require an expansion of this system with the motive power being driven by surplus off-peak wind and other renewables.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumped-...droelectricity
Dec 3rd 2009, 9:53 am
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Re: Tony Abbott new Lib leader
Actually wind could be very suitable for baseload when combined with pumped hydro.
Wind power is quite consistent when you have a decent geographical spread - whilst the wind might be still in one area it can be blowing hard in another - basically allowing one to average-out the power generated across the network as a whole.
The pumped hydro storage system is already used in conjunction with fossil fuel plants all over the world and we merely require an expansion of this system with the motive power being driven by surplus off-peak wind and other renewables.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumped-...droelectricity
Wind power is quite consistent when you have a decent geographical spread - whilst the wind might be still in one area it can be blowing hard in another - basically allowing one to average-out the power generated across the network as a whole.
The pumped hydro storage system is already used in conjunction with fossil fuel plants all over the world and we merely require an expansion of this system with the motive power being driven by surplus off-peak wind and other renewables.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumped-...droelectricity
But pumped Hydro requires suitable geographic topography to be of any use. Most of the suitable mountain areas have already been dammed, but they are in low rainfall regions. There's precious little water in Australia as it is - Where do you propose to get the water to fill a reservior for a pumped hydro system?
S
Dec 3rd 2009, 10:00 am
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Re: Tony Abbott new Lib leader
Dec 3rd 2009, 1:08 pm
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That's my view. Right or wrong.
Dec 3rd 2009, 1:22 pm
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Re: Tony Abbott new Lib leader
Dec 3rd 2009, 1:23 pm
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But pumped Hydro requires suitable geographic topography to be of any use. Most of the suitable mountain areas have already been dammed, but they are in low rainfall regions. There's precious little water in Australia as it is - Where do you propose to get the water to fill a reservior for a pumped hydro system?
S
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Bendeela (1977), 80 MW
Kangaroo Valley (1977), 160 MW
Poatina & Tods Corner (1964), 312 & 1.6 MW. Water pumped 140m from Arthur's Lake up to the low head Tods Corner power station & the 835 m head Poatina PS.
Tumut Three (1973), 1,500 MW
Wivenhoe Power Station, 510 MW
Kangaroo Valley (1977), 160 MW
Poatina & Tods Corner (1964), 312 & 1.6 MW. Water pumped 140m from Arthur's Lake up to the low head Tods Corner power station & the 835 m head Poatina PS.
Tumut Three (1973), 1,500 MW
Wivenhoe Power Station, 510 MW
Dec 3rd 2009, 1:27 pm
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Re: Tony Abbott new Lib leader
She is already called the Puppet. NSW media is right into her already. It is when the religious beliefs affect policy that the media get in and that was what happened with Abbott.
Dec 3rd 2009, 1:37 pm
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Re: Tony Abbott new Lib leader
How about this:
We have a bank of HUGE solar plants along the WA coast south of the nullarbor (picked a big area with nothing much going on but good access to coast). Use this solar power to turn sea-water into Hydrogen.
Transport the Hydrogen all over Australia to a series of smaller (clean)Hydrogen burning power stations that are close to demand centres (cities). The transportation costs could be kept low by using hydrogen powered vehicles. The H-power stations can be switched on or off when required usign stored Hydrogen in tanks, and Hydrgen created almost every day in huge amounts at the Solar plants...
There *may* be one or two engineering issues to be dealt with, but wheres the problem?
Dec 3rd 2009, 1:48 pm
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Re: Tony Abbott new Lib leader
I understand what you are saying, but most of the stored water here is reserved fro drinking...
The Snowy mountains project at Jindabyne is a good example, but I just don't think that we get enough rainfall over regions with suitable geographical topography to make pumped hydro a realistic option.
S
