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Old Sep 19th 2012, 9:28 am
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because he's mental
Maybe he's lost his bananas
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Old Sep 19th 2012, 9:33 am
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Old Sep 19th 2012, 9:39 am
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Wouldn't it make more sense to compare countries that have similar gun laws/restrictions to the UK?

I don't believe UK police should all be armed. And the UK is not utopia so guns will never disappear from the streets. What does appear to work, as has happened in Nottingham, which had a terrible problem with gun related crime a few years ago, is increasing the visibility of police who were licensed to carry guns and combining that with specific task forces designed to target the cause of the crime, in this case, rival gangs.

Blimey, that was a long sentence

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Old Sep 19th 2012, 9:39 am
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The bananas are in the fruit bowl, just to my right.
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Old Sep 19th 2012, 10:21 am
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A lot of police officers are armed, so would arming more mean that crims would arm themselves more? I don't have the answer, but yesterday's brutal killing of two young women was disgusting and just what will their poor families be going through.
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Old Sep 19th 2012, 11:15 am
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Police killings of civilians increase massively once police are armed. The history of the presently armed police units in the UK is chequered enough. Just look at what happens in NSW when police officers are routinely armed.
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Old Sep 19th 2012, 3:24 pm
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My son was an unarmed UK cop and now an armed aussie one...as a mother im glad he now has the means to protect himself . RIP those brave officers
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Old Sep 19th 2012, 3:38 pm
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Originally Posted by Amazulu View Post
As usual, it's pure shite coming out of bizzaroland (aka Chris955 world). Have a look at some low crime countries like Sweden, Canada, Denmark, Switzerland where police are armed. The UK and a few other countries are the tiny exception to the rule that most police, worldwide are armed.

One or both of those poor women might still be alive to day if they had been armed, but you don't care about that because it doesn't fit into your quaint little viewpoint of the UK.
Not too sure how effective the guns would have been against the grenade that he also used, and he was already in the frame for murdering someone else with a grenade.
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Exactly, it would have made no difference whatsoever.

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Not too sure how effective the guns would have been against the grenade that he also used, and he was already in the frame for murdering someone else with a grenade.
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Old Sep 19th 2012, 8:50 pm
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Originally Posted by lapin_windstar View Post
Police killings of civilians increase massively once police are armed. The history of the presently armed police units in the UK is chequered enough. Just look at what happens in NSW when police officers are routinely armed.
Based on what research and where? or are you just passing off your own opinion as fact?
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Old Sep 19th 2012, 10:06 pm
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Default Re: Time to arm UK patrol cops

Whilst there *may* be an argument to arm British beat police (not one I'd be inclined to side with mind you) - the original story is not the place to begin that argument.

The full story is not yet known, and maybe wont ever be, depending on how reliable we may think the confession is when it's released. It isn't fully known what happened but the fact that a grenade was used indicates to me that it was very likely that they were ambushed and it was a blitz attack (though it seems one of the women did draw her taser) and there could have been greater risk to the public if they had been armed.

This could easily be a scenario where it wouldn't have mattered if they had been armed and an argument certainly can't be made for it based on the limited information available.
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Guns are for girlies. Give em bazookas and tanks.
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Old Sep 19th 2012, 10:41 pm
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An interesting article here on why UK police aren't armed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19641398
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Old Sep 19th 2012, 11:45 pm
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Default Re: Time to arm UK patrol cops

Originally Posted by Amazulu View Post
2 policewomen needlessly executed by a total waste of DNA. If they had been armed (and trained), they might have had a chance at dropping this ******.

Having unarmed patrol cops is not working and is a quaint idea from a time long past and has not made the UK a safer place. Some of the most liberal, nanny state, low crime Scandinavian countries have armed police.

Arm them, train them, let them defend themselves and the community because as it stands now the system is a joke.
It worked in America. There's hardly any gun crime there and cops never killed.
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Old Sep 20th 2012, 1:30 am
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It worked in America. There's hardly any gun crime there and cops never killed.
Completely different gun culture in the States and irrelevant to what would be best in the UK. Australia would be a far better comparison.
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