Taxpayers make private schools rich
Sep 12th 2010, 9:48 pm
#91
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Re: Taxpayers make private schools rich
You can take it off topic as much as you like,but fact is - paying for education is a sacrifice. Its money that could be spent on other things but some people make a choice that they prefer to spend it on schooling, others have boats, cars, holidays etc and some have nothing at all. Private schooling in this country is nowhere near as elitist as it is in the UK, at least judging by the jobs (and therefore 'class') of people that I see at our school. There are an awful lot of very very ordinary cars and a very very few bmw's.
Sep 12th 2010, 9:49 pm
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Re: Taxpayers make private schools rich
If government contribution to education was stopped, there are many people who would no longer continue with Private education, as it would be too expensive.
Unlike the few high cost ones that get the small government contribution of around $2,500 that we initially mentioned, there are many others where the fees would rise too much.
eg: The Private Catholic schools that charge about $1,000 per year, would then be up to $10,000-$11,000. The average family on $50k-$60k could no longer afford private schools.
If our fees lost the government contribution, of about $5,000 per year, we would be looking at about $12,000. We would have to go State. The result would be an extra expense to the taxpayer to educate our child of about another $7,000 per year.
Unlike the few high cost ones that get the small government contribution of around $2,500 that we initially mentioned, there are many others where the fees would rise too much.
eg: The Private Catholic schools that charge about $1,000 per year, would then be up to $10,000-$11,000. The average family on $50k-$60k could no longer afford private schools.
If our fees lost the government contribution, of about $5,000 per year, we would be looking at about $12,000. We would have to go State. The result would be an extra expense to the taxpayer to educate our child of about another $7,000 per year.
- Does it really make sense to increase the TAXPAYERS cost of education from $5,000 per year up to $12,000 per year, just to stop private education. ?
- Will the taxpayer be happy to cough up all that extra money ?
- Why would anyone want to try to justify increasing education costs in such a way ?
Sep 12th 2010, 9:51 pm
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Re: Taxpayers make private schools rich
By reducing the cost of your childs education to the taxpayer, by going private and paying part yourself, you would actually be INCREASING the available resources to all other State school children, NOT reducing them.
Sep 12th 2010, 9:52 pm
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Re: Taxpayers make private schools rich
...and if you can't afford it no matter how hard you sacrifice? You would still expect those people to pay towards your kids education in taxation?
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Sep 12th 2010, 9:55 pm
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Re: Taxpayers make private schools rich
...and I will say it again. YOU left.. YOU pay.
Sep 12th 2010, 9:56 pm
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Re: Taxpayers make private schools rich
If you shut the private system - the state system does worse
If you reduce funding to the private system - the state system does worse
33% of people send their kids to these schools its not the great social divide you believe it to be.
You cease to make sense.
Sep 12th 2010, 9:56 pm
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Australia's Independent school system is a mixture of government funding and Parent contributions, so that the financial expense is reduced for those in the State system.
Those in this system have NOT left a system where they get 100% subsidised education, to go to ZERO contribution, but we have gone to a shared partnership system, with a smaller contribution from the government.
Sep 12th 2010, 9:58 pm
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Re: Taxpayers make private schools rich
Another option is to introduce a graduate tax on degrees where there is no skills shortage and to make the students pay full fees payable post graduation. No buying your way in like with Howard. Everyone pays and the funds diverted to where it is needed ie ensuring all Australians have a shot education. English Literature and Social Studies are a luxury compared to providing children what is needed to enter life productively and contribute to the nations economy.
Private education is only so popular due to the lack of resourcing of public. This is not about robbing the rich but about maximising the wealth of the nation and providing equal opportunity. Whether that opportunity is taken is another matter.
Private education is only so popular due to the lack of resourcing of public. This is not about robbing the rich but about maximising the wealth of the nation and providing equal opportunity. Whether that opportunity is taken is another matter.
Sep 12th 2010, 10:02 pm
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Re: Taxpayers make private schools rich
You seem happy to spend the taxpayers money, instead of save it.
Sep 12th 2010, 10:04 pm
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Re: Taxpayers make private schools rich
Mate. Seriously. Are you just choosing to ignore the facts that are being laid out in front of you so you can troll?
If you shut the private system - the state system does worse
If you reduce funding to the private system - the state system does worse
33% of people send their kids to these schools its not the great social divide you believe it to be.
You cease to make sense.
If you shut the private system - the state system does worse
If you reduce funding to the private system - the state system does worse
33% of people send their kids to these schools its not the great social divide you believe it to be.
You cease to make sense.
Sep 12th 2010, 10:05 pm
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Re: Taxpayers make private schools rich
Yep then I think people would be happier to pay more taxes for education. Suddenly the middle classes will want proper funding for state education rather than hogging resources.
Sep 12th 2010, 10:06 pm
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Re: Taxpayers make private schools rich
Bored now.. it beat talking about "will my fridge work in Australia" or "how much do I need to live in Sydney"... but not by much.
