Originally Posted by GarryP (Post 11639177)

The fact is also that there are a whole section of the community that are effectively unemployable and have given up hope of ever getting out of places like the one shown. Every free trade agreement that ships jobs to SE Asia so someone can put another naught on their net worth helps to put them there.

No good trying to wash hands of the responsibility - or parrot the far, far rights canard of "they should just go and find a job".

And it's going to get so much worse.

Automation of driving jobs, automation of paralegal jobs, automation of finance jobs - all following on from the automation of farm and manufacturing jobs. We are headed for 50% unemployed and unemployable.

Hence, even though the far right will scream and scream, we are going to have to be looking at mincomes and the normalisation of 'benefits' - or face uprising and civil war.

We need to be planning and preparing now - since the future will arrive sooner than you expect.

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 11639197)

Garry - you say its like its all doom and gloom then finish off with a solution of sorts.

Yes traditional jobs are going, they always have, they always will. Australia needs to understand where its assets are and where to sell those assets. Good mining times is one but its hit and miss. Where are the others? Science should be another. Same with technology. Good export opportunities there and we have the infrastructure in education to make it happen. If there is an oversupply of educated McDonalds workers this is where they need to be. Its not all doom, it just needs to happen.

Originally Posted by GarryP (Post 11639207)

Oh yeah, there's lots of things that need to happen - its just the reverse seems to be the order of business. Cut science funding, cut technology funding - the money is reducing in these areas.

And not only that, there's only a very small percentage of the population that could do that, or indeed are needed - must less than 1%. They can make money in themselves, but we are back to the society structures needed to turn that into a viable civilisation. When you can train an app/robot to be more intelligent and more accurate than 50% of humans, whilst being cheaper - just what can you use those people for? How do they live?

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 11639216)

Think a little broader than the scientists themselves.

Pharmaceutical companies need accountants, Software companies need marketing departments, Research labs need cleaners. Sure you can palm the accountants off to India but I wouldn't rely on them for marketing, and the cleaners can't clean over the internet.

Originally Posted by GarryP (Post 11639242)

Whole point is it's a lot if these jobs that are going to get automated.

eg Automate Accounting Advice? 5Things Hopes to Do Just That : Digital First
Avidbots Wants to Automate Commercial Cleaning With Robots - IEEE Spectrum

and don't get me started on the value (or otherwise) of marketeers ;)

The automatability of jobs, particularly when others get automated too, is not the traditional blue/white collar type of thing

What Jobs Will the Robots Take? - The Atlantic

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 11639264)

But thats the point. We need to be at the forefront of automation. The guy who is robot today can be selling the robot to the rest of the world tomorrow. Apapting to change has happened right through history. Why should it stop now. Developing the technologies and selling it globally.

Originally Posted by GarryP (Post 11639286)

Yeah, but the guy who's being sacked from the Holden assembly line isn't going to be designing any automation for tomorrow. And, of course, the assembly line for those robots isn't going to be employing him either.

Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 11639305)

So how long do you want to flog a dead horse for?

Originally Posted by GarryP (Post 11639325)

Simply pointing out that this time is likely to be much worse, and that preparation is needed, as is a wholesale change to capitalism - and the Economist has said similar (it's pretty much accepted dogma now).

The future of jobs: The onrushing wave | The Economist

So not dead horse; it's just leading the favourite round the enclosure.

Originally Posted by GarryP (Post 11639177)

Hence, even though the far right will scream and scream, we are going to have to be looking at mincomes and the normalisation of 'benefits' - or face uprising and civil war.

We need to be planning and preparing now - since the future will arrive sooner than you expect.

Originally Posted by ozzieeagle (Post 11643428)

I personally reckon it will be generational war, or culling the rich oldies that caused the perceived situation of the future "now" = 20-30 years.



Puts me right in the firing line I reckon. :eek:

Originally Posted by Swerv-o (Post 11643429)

It will all end up like Logan's Run...


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