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Old Apr 13th 2018, 7:42 am
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Some two thousand people marched in Perth CBD on the weekend, demanding the Federal Government bring in farmers from South Africa under a similar package that was recently under taken for those fleeing war zones in Syria. The idea was presented by Immigration Minister Dutton, rather a darling of the right. The difference being of course is that South African farmers to date, experience what many South Africans experience, on a daily basis. That being crime.
If the repossession of 'white' farms does indeed take place, certainly the issue can be retuned to as 'race' would certainly be a consideration for persecution. At the moment not though. While all South Africans should be looked at on a case by case basis no special "Syrian' type arrangement should be on the cards for now for any particular group from that country.
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Tons of South Africans are already in the WA regions. Many didn't want to continue with farming and took up white-collar jobs, either in the agriculture industry or other professions. The valuable and productive farmland is already taken and is worth millions so it's a very hard field to get into unless you are very wealthy or are willing to just be a boutique small-scale grower.

I don't support the Government giving South Africans a special visa category just because they are a growing political lobby here. Lots of other countries with worse crime problems. If the white farmers get a special visa because their land is appropriated, does that mean everyone in a communist country can also get a special visa? See what a can of worms this opens.
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Tons of South Africans are already in the WA regions. Many didn't want to continue with farming and took up white-collar jobs, either in the agriculture industry or other professions. The valuable and productive farmland is already taken and is worth millions so it's a very hard field to get into unless you are very wealthy or are willing to just be a boutique small-scale grower.

I don't support the Government giving South Africans a special visa category just because they are a growing political lobby here. Lots of other countries with worse crime problems. If the white farmers get a special visa because their land is appropriated, does that mean everyone in a communist country can also get a special visa? See what a can of worms this opens.
Indeed there are. South Africans appear to hold some clout in both certain WA and QSD electorates.


Introducing a special category for South African farmers though is highly indicative of Dutton's preferences and prejudges. It certainly not be entertained. It has the risk of further stigmatising Australia's migrant intake by bringing race into the equation. There are many on the Right, who would gladly support the notion that South Africa is a failed state and use that country as an example against multi cultural aspects that have increasingly defined Australia over recent decades. Though government policy of record migrant intake, itself works in the favour of those as well of course.
Dutton is a rather dangerous person, or whom has the potential to be with his views and his call for South African farmers to be settled in a 'civilised' society goes a way towards explaining his thinking. No such thoughts of compassion to other ethnic groups of course whose plight is immediate and state of terror clearly defined. Thankfully the Foreign Minister a little more tactful in diplomatic niceties than the former traffic cop from the Banana State.

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Not only unwarranted at this place in time, but rather cold footed by the Farmers Association of South Africa as well I believe.


Removing farmers through such a policy, would have of course played into the hands of certain extreme members of the Right of the ANC whom advocate the removal of white farmers and the land given to majority folk as happened in Zimbabwe.
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Another thought that came to mind was the creation of a mini Afrikaner homeland within the confines of the West Australian pastoral region. The folk would be semi independent, with own school and hospital and language would be Afrikaans.


The area would prove a tourist attraction to a somewhat barren landscape as well as addressing those from the city demanding the Australian government do something to help kith and kin.


What better than a 'homeland' in a free state in a rural environment where the farmers can live their own lives? A sort of Orania that now occupies the South African landscape back home.


Longer term residents of the area would of course be given to choice to stay. The requirement would be to pass a language test after a reasonable period of time. For the proposition to work Afrikaans must be the language and culture guaranteed.


As much as Dutton and other advocates would prefer to believe it will take extreme force to remove most farmers from their land and more to remove them from culture. Many do not immediately take to English language or culture, quite contrary in fact.
Not something most would give up in a hurry.
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A new sub division could be established in WA. Lets call it Oranje to make our South African farmers feel welcome. The beleid (policy) would be all buitestanders (people from other regions ) would be required to show ID before allowed entry to control who comes in and to keep trouble makers out ......Liking it more by the minute.
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A new sub division could be established in WA. Lets call it Oranje to make our South African farmers feel welcome. The beleid (policy) would be all buitestanders (people from other regions ) would be required to show ID before allowed entry to control who comes in and to keep trouble makers out ......Liking it more by the minute.
Your clear hatred of white South Africans has been clearly noted.
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Your clear hatred of white South Africans has been clearly noted.


Clearly taken the bait. What trumps my alleged 'hatred' of white South Africans of course is the retention of the Rainbow Nation. A grandiose term if ever. Unlike you I am a real fan of South Africa, and hope all colours can live in a sort of harmony. Foreign interference has no part to play as this time of proceedings in that country. Having a matter of some delicacy hijacked by Right wingers with own agendas must be challenged.


Such simplistic rhetoric as above further displays an inability to remote engage of matters of any importance. Better stick with something you may of a knowledge about.
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Such simplistic rhetoric as above further displays an inability to remote engage of matters of any importance. Better stick with something you may of a knowledge about.
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Clearly taken the bait. What trumps my alleged 'hatred' of white South Africans of course is the retention of the Rainbow Nation. A grandiose term if ever. Unlike you I am a real fan of South Africa, and hope all colours can live in a sort of harmony. Foreign interference has no part to play as this time of proceedings in that country. Having a matter of some delicacy hijacked by Right wingers with own agendas must be challenged.


Such simplistic rhetoric as above further displays an inability to remote engage of matters of any importance. Better stick with something you may of a knowledge about.
You can delete post #6 then if that is truly the way you feel.

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You can delete post #6 then if that is truly the way you feel.

Carry on.


You really are out of your depth on yet another thread. ROTFL at what passes as a retort on your front.


Your apparently a supporter of Dilly Dutton's plan to import farmers from South Africa just displays the general lack of knowledge on the matter with yet another Aussie simplistic answer to a rather far more intricate matter that requires reflection not knee jerk racial reaction which would indeed worsen the overall situation.
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I would possibly support a special category visa with certain conditions. Something like the 489 where you have to live and work in a rural location for a certain amount of time. Except make it a condition of the visa that people using it are temporary only for a set number of years - maybe 10? - and they have to prove annually that they are living in rural areas and working in farming. If the reason they need protection is based on their farms being taken then surely farming is what they want to do?

However, if it's offered to South African farmers whose lives are in danger then it should also be offered to farmers from other countries. White, black, or green with purple polka dots. Not just white farmers from one country.
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Thing being of course is that I doubt many Afrikaans speaking farmers would want to move to Australia to farm. If so it would be unlikely on the terms mentioned above.


I have known a few rural farmers whom met over in South Africa, not like Australia very much, after coming to look. while crime is an issue there is a certain freedom, beyond the security measures in place that people find less obvious in Australia.


Sure Australia will likely work better for English South Africans, whom can adapt more readily to suit a given situation, where ever they wash up, the Boers are less willing to leave their land, their culture and language to play second fiddle in a country like Australia. A number do not particularly care for 'English' much and this situation exists equally in South Africa, between the white tribes.
Hence the reason I gave to give that section of the white community their own land with the ability of cultural retention. Other wise unless there is total melt down, unlikely to work.


There is little need for a special category at this stage. If anything it will play into the hands of the fireballs whom may well increase their racist agenda to remove whites from the country with farmers in particular. This in turn, may result in a counter reaction of some ferocity by elements of besieged 'whites' , although the day has likely well passed since they could change direction through force, it could be rather nasty for all hues within The Rainbow Nation.

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Of course crime alone is no reason for a special entry of tens of thousands. Much of the world is unsafe, most of South America for example.


The big difference is, while crime has always impacted other races within South Africa under apartheid, the minority white folk were largely immune from this. Come majority rule this was no longer the case of course, Saying that black middle class and Indians are targeted as well.
A visa to escape crime would in fact be open to many millions of all races in that country if applied fairly.
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Originally Posted by the troubadour View Post
You really are out of your depth on yet another thread. ROTFL at what passes as a retort on your front.


Your apparently a supporter of Dilly Dutton's plan to import farmers from South Africa just displays the general lack of knowledge on the matter with yet another Aussie simplistic answer to a rather far more intricate matter that requires reflection not knee jerk racial reaction which would indeed worsen the overall situation.
Really. When Malema, clearly a racist and nutter, has such a policy that has the support of the president and most in parliament, you know this could lead to genocide forming.

Better to be proactive than to watch this occur with all the warning signs clearly evident.
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