GarryP

Don't forget, if your neighbours don't have NBN it's closer to that 14W figure, rather than 6W, and it's in addition to keeping the modem/router running.

All this "turn off devices to stop pointless power draw" and they are increasing the need with powering public devices from consumer's power. If they had done it properly and put fibre in, there would have been no power drain, higher speeds, more reliability, more flexibility, no distance problems etc.

They are building a new school down from where I am and I caught the NBN tech pulling a new fibre down to it via the pits. Must be a least 800m, no hassle, and enough bandwidth for anything. Trunbull should be strung up from the nearest lamppost.

Beoz

Your negative arguments about the way the NBN is being properly and sensibly "staged" roll out are becoming increasingly weaker.

Everyone knows the majority of us can operate sufficiently on current ADSL and Fibre to the Home is a waste of money right now.

Whoever's decision it was to stage the roll out should be congratulated. (Was it actually Turnbull?). It shows someone work works within budgets and for requirement.

Still on ADSL at home here. Fibre to the curb coming in April (that's now). Just slightly disappointed the Libs didn't look after their own first. Will have to move to a marginal seat.

GarryP

To quote Luke Skywalker, "Amazing. Every word of what you just said.. was wrong."

Amazulu

You 'caught the NBN tech pulling a new fibre down to it via the pits'?

What, are the NBN police now? Did you make a citizen's arrest on behalf of the FTTN folk?

ozzieeagle

Question: Does 5G work better with a NBN backbone or can it work totally independently of being piped back to a NBN/Fibre source?

If it doesn't need the NBN source, doesn't that make the NBN redundant in most cases?

GarryP

One of the ways 5G is planned to be able to deliver more bandwidth is by segmenting the area covered by any one antenna into a smaller patch. Less area = less people = more frequency bandwidth to go around.

Angular based segmentation is one part of that, but the other is having more local, small, antennas in areas with lots of people. Since they are lower power, etc. then you can fix them to lampposts etc.

But you still need a backbone to shift the signal around once you have received it, and for that people are looking at a fibre backbone - such as the one driving the NBN. It's not the only technology, but it's the main one.

People are looking at it for the last mile type problem, but 5G has a problem. The frequencies used don't have much penetrating power. That's tolerably OK for mobile phones outside, but not for devices inside, where you'll be looking at potentially fixed antennas to get signal and probably wifi calling in buildings.

5G isn't a panacea.

ozzieeagle

Thanks for the Informative reply Garry

Beoz

Really? I don't think so. Evolution baby.

Imagine if we lived in a country where the government organizations couldn't evolve.

https://www.computerworld.com.au/article/635896/nbn-more-households-get-fttc-instead-fttn-hfc/

Amazulu

For those in parts of Melbourne this may be an option:
NBN vs. DGTek: Australian broadband start-up puts network to shame

Okay, this mob is cherry picking and capitalising on urban density, but basically costs 10% of K Rudd's union/civil servant/socialist NBN circus setup

Just goes to show that the business model of the NBN is pathetic and the real reason for what ails it

GarryP

Those still waiting for NBN, it's worth rechecking when NBNCo think they are going to get around to you. Recently they have updated their plans to switch more 'fakeband' FTTN to FTTC, and restart trying to switch on HFC areas. As a result some dates have come in, and some have stretched out (mainly in the HFC regions).

https://www.nbnco.com.au/connect-hom...r-address.html

Basically it demonstrates that neither FTTN nor HFC types have been a success - both of which were the bright idea of Trunbull. FTTN just hasn't been able to deliver speeds, and HFC, far from being something they could just 'switch over' have been a pig in a poke, costing more than just doing it straight. If they had stuck to FTTP and rolled out the NZ model (costing about the same as FTTN/FTTC) they would have had something they basically didn't have to touch again for decades, in the same timespan. As it is, when they finally get the jerryrigged mess working they are going to have to go back again and rip/replace the FTTN elements.

And those in the rural areas are probably going to be better off looking to ol' Elon in a few years time. His Starlink constellation (phase 1 at least) needs to be up by 2024 and it should deliver higher speeds and lower latencies than 'Skymuster'.

Beoz

You have already been told. Only daft people like Labor governments would spend willy nilly on something not required.

Smart governments roll out as required spanning costs over time.

GarryP

And you are still laughably wrong - with basically nobody agreeing with your PoV.

But then again, you already knew that.

Amazulu

That's nice

The government-run business model of the NBN is its main handbrake though - basically the perfect example of how not to implement major infrastructure

Beoz

Er no. When they built your Melbourne airport did they build a train line to go with it? No. Way behind of course but it looks like it's back on the table with some think tanks saying Melbourne won't need one until 2030's.

Same with the NBN. You don't build beyond your needs and budgets. Stupid governments who can't manage financial affairs do stuff like that - aka your Labor friends.

GarryP

So hang on, first you are AGAINST sane infrastructure build, then you are FOR it? Make up your mind!

You will remember that the reason the labor government did it was because the commercial world wouldn't/couldn't. Total failure of vision on the part of the likes of Telstra (pretty much their mantra) which would have us still on ADSL if they had had their way.

Do it once, do it right, don't have to fix it up three times over.

And as for financial management ...

I'll remind you that Trunbull said "faster, cheaper" and that Telstra would hand over their copper network for free. None of which have happened. Tens of billions on LNP failure. The man has been cockup personified ....

Seriously, the LNP pretty obviously couldn't manage a piss up in a brewery. They paid billions for something that wasn't needed, didn't work properly, and now is taking billions more to fix up. And even when ended, the rework is going to have to start immediately.