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Old Feb 9th 2018, 10:50 pm
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Originally Posted by GarryP View Post
NBNCo do appear to be pulling a fast one, or rather a slow one.

Since their cockup and move to FTTN there are a large part of new signups that can't physically get 100/40 or faster. So they have made 50/20 cheaper for the ISPs to persuade them to preferentially offer that. That makes NBNCo look better ("look, we are delivering what people want") but hobbles Australia with a network that can't actually go any faster (which will hit services a few years down the road, such as multiple 4K streams).

If you look at the take up of speeds between FTTP and FTTN, you see there is a latent demand if the physical layer is up to it, but FTTN just isn't. With sensible governance they would have halted the rollout of FTTN as they did with HFC and delivered at least FTTC, or better FTTP which they could do for the same price. Then there would be less FTTN that's going to need to be ripped out and replaced 5 years hence.
We signed up for a slower service as it was the best available on the wireless NBN. We've subsequently been upgraded from 100gig a month to unlimited. In the 10 months we had the 100gig limit we never came close to it. That's with two kids streaming and two adults using Kodi.
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We signed up for a slower service as it was the best available on the wireless NBN. We've subsequently been upgraded from 100gig a month to unlimited. In the 10 months we had the 100gig limit we never came close to it. That's with two kids streaming and two adults using Kodi.
There's bandwidth speed, and there's capacity.

100/40 can shift near 100Mbit per second of data.

100GB of data a month could be at any speed.

I've heard of those will a full family eating through 500GB of data a month, though that must include a fair amount of 4K content methinks - I couldn't manage it.

Telstra up their capacity limits to try and justify their prices whilst not being able to deliver 100/40 speeds to many of their subscribers. For most the increases are pointless, since it's the speed level that counts.
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Think they're getting similar speeds to you through the day, drops a little during the evening.
I'm keeping an eye on that.
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30Mb is perfectly fine for most applications. What do you pay for that? Unlimited?

Unlimited 100Mb NBN is $90 with Mate
Yep 30 is pretty darned good.
Last night I was watching Star Trek on Netflix at the same time that the Mrs was watching a film on an APK. Not a blip on either.

Paying $79pm for the 30/10 unlimited.

Was paying Optus $80pm for their wireless 5/1 with 200GB so a good upgrade for me.
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Last night I was watching Star Trek on Netflix at the same time that the Mrs was watching a film on an APK. Not a blip on either.
Just to point out, Netflix will scale back what it sends you to match the practical bandwidth, and avoid dropped frames. And I doubt you were consuming 4K streams.

Issue is, to make all those 4K TVs that have been sold have some kind of purpose, they are doing to have to stream the content (people aren't going to buy UHD players, and Freeview is not close to capable).
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As has been pointed out many times, the technology of the NBN is okay - not the latest and greatest but acceptable for a country the size of Australia and its low population density (even more so considering the taxpayer is funding it). The problem with the NBN is its business model - and for that we have to thank the hard-left government of Kevin Rudd. He cocked it up (like most of everything he did) and today we are left with the mess (that's not to say that the coalition are blameless - they could have sorted a lot of the crap out but didn't). Rudd has a lot to answer for - much of what ails Australia today is directly linked to the election of that muppet in 2007
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Just to point out, Netflix will scale back what it sends you to match the practical bandwidth, and avoid dropped frames. And I doubt you were consuming 4K streams.

Issue is, to make all those 4K TVs that have been sold have some kind of purpose, they are doing to have to stream the content (people aren't going to buy UHD players, and Freeview is not close to capable).
Agreed Garry.
Neither were 4k but both were very good quality for viewing.
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Agreed Garry.
Neither were 4k but both were very good quality for viewing.
Good stuff. Not everyone is arsed with 4k - an HD experience is sufficient in that case
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So, the NBN has been up and running in my street for a few weeks and I recently signed up with Melbourne-based mungi.com.au on their 100/40 unlimited plan:
$80 for 100/40
$5 for VOIP (just to keep the landline number)
$10 for a static IP

I'm super happy with it so far. My new TP-Link VR600V (had to get a new modem for FTTN) is reporting a connection between 107 and 145Mbps. On speedtest (which admittedly is not always the most accurate) I'm getting 90-odd during the day and 80+ during peak evening times. I was getting 12-18 on ADSL2+ - so quite an increase

There is no contract or setup fees so I can easily change providers if Mungi deteriorates

Happy days with the NBN in my household

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The whole NBN scene has changed over the previous year. Specifically
  • Last few days they basically admitted that FTTN was s**t and are moving towards switching places that were going to get FTTN to FTTC instead. So more people will actually be able to get 100/40, except
  • They went through and made the 50/20 tier actually the one they have tried to push people towards. Basically if you are still on 25/10 or slower it should be free to get a faster speed. However 100/40 wasn't made equivalently cheap. And faster is still stupidly expensive.
  • Upshot of this other changes is that providers have got a bit better at delivering halfway decent bandwidth in the evening (half being the operative word).
  • They are supposed to be restarting the rollout of HFC, but it still seems to be a mess (and a waste of money they gifted to Telstra and Optus). Some HFC areas are being downgraded to FTTC.
  • Aussie Broadband are still the best bet, and are now doing unlimited deals ($80 for 50Mbit, $100 for 100Mbit).
  • Pity they couldn't really admit they were wrong and switch back to FTTP for everyone.
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Originally Posted by GarryP View Post
The whole NBN scene has changed over the previous year. Specifically
  • Last few days they basically admitted that FTTN was s**t and are moving towards switching places that were going to get FTTN to FTTC instead. So more people will actually be able to get 100/40, except
  • They went through and made the 50/20 tier actually the one they have tried to push people towards. Basically if you are still on 25/10 or slower it should be free to get a faster speed. However 100/40 wasn't made equivalently cheap. And faster is still stupidly expensive.
  • Upshot of this other changes is that providers have got a bit better at delivering halfway decent bandwidth in the evening (half being the operative word).
  • They are supposed to be restarting the rollout of HFC, but it still seems to be a mess (and a waste of money they gifted to Telstra and Optus). Some HFC areas are being downgraded to FTTC.
  • Aussie Broadband are still the best bet, and are now doing unlimited deals ($80 for 50Mbit, $100 for 100Mbit).
  • Pity they couldn't really admit they were wrong and switch back to FTTP for everyone.
The business model of the NBN is what you get when you have socialists (K Rudd) planning shit. If the NBN had been left to the industry to implement, it would have been finished by now at half the cost

A powerful lesson on how not to conduct major infrastructure projects
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Originally Posted by GarryP View Post
The whole NBN scene has changed over the previous year. Specifically
  • Last few days they basically admitted that FTTN was s**t and are moving towards switching places that were going to get FTTN to FTTC instead. So more people will actually be able to get 100/40, except
  • They went through and made the 50/20 tier actually the one they have tried to push people towards. Basically if you are still on 25/10 or slower it should be free to get a faster speed. However 100/40 wasn't made equivalently cheap. And faster is still stupidly expensive.
  • Upshot of this other changes is that providers have got a bit better at delivering halfway decent bandwidth in the evening (half being the operative word).
  • They are supposed to be restarting the rollout of HFC, but it still seems to be a mess (and a waste of money they gifted to Telstra and Optus). Some HFC areas are being downgraded to FTTC.
  • Aussie Broadband are still the best bet, and are now doing unlimited deals ($80 for 50Mbit, $100 for 100Mbit).
  • Pity they couldn't really admit they were wrong and switch back to FTTP for everyone.


FTTC has just been switched on in our Suburb here in Coburg. I'm not making the jump quite yet, firstly because I want to switch from IInet to Optus because of the better Fetch TV box, plus I have employee discounts because of people I know. IInet to Optus is generally speaking a backward step according to reports. So I'm waiting for reports on Whirlpool to see how Optus handle FTTC.

The pits which are all up and down our street are basically 7 houses apart. I have one right out the front of my place less than 10 meters from where my copper starts, so I'm expecting top speeds. There again I'm less than 500 meters from the Coburg Exchange and my ADSL speed is around 17mbs a sec so no need to rapidly change as we can already watch 3 net streams at once.

I'm off for 3 weeks starting next week, I hope my spare time doesn't lead me to temptation into starting churning proceedings prematurely.

AFAIK that Fetch Mighty box is the best bit of PVR kit going. The Gen 2 one supplied by IInet is way better than the latest very glitchy Foxtel box as it is.

6 Channels and 1TB, you cant go wrong eh and an impressively easy live TV guide that always works. Highly recommended by me at least. Fetch TV Box. Optus having the Mighty and IINet only having the Gen2 is enough to tear me away from IInet, you also get a better fetch package plus premier league access with Optus. So it's damn hard to ignore. Just wish they didn't have such a bad reputation. A lot like playing with fire.

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IInet to Optus is generally speaking a backward step according to reports. So I'm waiting for reports on Whirlpool to see how Optus handle FTTC.
Optus don't really get a look in on that end of things, it's if NBNCo make a mess of FTTC. Optus have apparently being getting better off the NBN CVC kick, but I'd still avoid them and they are behind the best.

IINet is now TPG - customer service from hell.

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6 Channels and 1TB, you cant go wrong eh
Well a PVR implies watching aussie TV, and all the adverts that entails. Not sure that's a plus, and would think that catchup TV for the few shows you could stomach would be better.

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Just wish they didn't have such a bad reputation. A lot like playing with fire.
Particularly in the early stages of a new technology that NBNCo have no experience of and will probably play slope shoulders.

Oh, and one of the factors of FTTC is that the customer powers the box out in the road - to the tune of 14W if they are the only ones on it, or 6W if multiple people. So much for turning off vampire devices huh?

6*24*365 = 52.6 kWh per year.
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Optus don't really get a look in on that end of things, it's if NBNCo make a mess of FTTC. Optus have apparently being getting better off the NBN CVC kick, but I'd still avoid them and they are behind the best.

IINet is now TPG - customer service from hell.



Well a PVR implies watching aussie TV, and all the adverts that entails. Not sure that's a plus, and would think that catchup TV for the few shows you could stomach would be better.


Particularly in the early stages of a new technology that NBNCo have no experience of and will probably play slope shoulders.

Oh, and one of the factors of FTTC is that the customer powers the box out in the road - to the tune of 14W if they are the only ones on it, or 6W if multiple people. So much for turning off vampire devices huh?

6*24*365 = 52.6 kWh per year.

My wife watches a lot of those MKR type shows etc and fills up the box after a while, she's into Aus TV a bit. As for catch up tv, we use that a lot. I wondered what a vampire device was, seen the term but never explored it's meaning, I think 52Kwh adds up to circa 16 bucks before the 35pct discount for me. Still that is a cheek.

I'm going to wait, if I can keep my hands of the phone over the next 3 weeks of my holidays... I get that discount as well, which is a new bonus in our lives, provided by my youngest daughters boyfriend, So that's a drawcard as well.
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FTTC has just been switched on in our Suburb here in Coburg. I'm not making the jump quite yet, firstly because I want to switch from IInet to Optus because of the better Fetch TV box, plus I have employee discounts because of people I know. IInet to Optus is generally speaking a backward step according to reports. So I'm waiting for reports on Whirlpool to see how Optus handle FTTC.

The pits which are all up and down our street are basically 7 houses apart. I have one right out the front of my place less than 10 meters from where my copper starts, so I'm expecting top speeds. There again I'm less than 500 meters from the Coburg Exchange and my ADSL speed is around 17mbs a sec so no need to rapidly change as we can already watch 3 net streams at once.

I'm off for 3 weeks starting next week, I hope my spare time doesn't lead me to temptation into starting churning proceedings prematurely.

AFAIK that Fetch Mighty box is the best bit of PVR kit going. The Gen 2 one supplied by IInet is way better than the latest very glitchy Foxtel box as it is.

6 Channels and 1TB, you cant go wrong eh and an impressively easy live TV guide that always works. Highly recommended by me at least. Fetch TV Box. Optus having the Mighty and IINet only having the Gen2 is enough to tear me away from IInet, you also get a better fetch package plus premier league access with Optus. So it's damn hard to ignore. Just wish they didn't have such a bad reputation. A lot like playing with fire.
Personally, apart from the included EPL package, I can't see much advantage of Optus. I guess it is fairly decent value but they get absolutely panned in online reviews. Their latest Fetch box does look pretty good but you seem pretty technically switched-on and I can imagine that, like me, you've got other effective streaming and storage gear

This is a good site to check out NBN provider comparisons:
https://www.productreview.com.au/c/i...providers.html

Whirlpool is worth a look at too

Mungi have just changed to another network (Vocus I think it's called) and it seems to have got even faster for me. All their staff are in Melbourne. Online chat is quick and friendly and most emails are answered within an hour

Aussie Broadband would be my other choice. They now have unlimited
100/40 for $90 with no contract and apparently their peak time speeds are second to none

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