Broad Shoulders

Yes, but you are ignoring a very important fact. Those Turks who live on the Turkish/Iranian border hate Iranians.

Therefore your suggestion that Iranians should just cross over the border to seek asylum would be fraught with even more dangers.

http://www.stripes.com/news/middle-e...turkey-1.93636

Deancm_MKII

What drugs have you been taking? There were about 100ppl on that boat and the Navy picked up 44 survivors. So unless they're zombies, they didn't all die.

iamthecreaturefromuranus

A more dangerous journey than jumping into a sieve like boat with your kids and setting off across the Indian ocean. I think not.

Actually, did you even bother to look at the figures for the numbers of Iranian's making the 'perilous' journey to Turkey? It's in the hundreds of thousands anually.

COUNTRIES 2010*
GERMANY 4 385 263
RUSSIAN FED. 3 107 043
U.KINGDOM 2 673 605
IRAN 1 885 097

scottishcelts

Maybe they've turned into mermaids?

ponyrama

Oh you kill me man, you kill me. This thread is about the dead people and their relatives attending their funerals. Its not about the ones that survived.

Actually I think I'm in need of drugs right now. My idealistic view of the world is in jeapordy. I came here to live the dream. And I find myself amongst you lot! Aaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!

scottishcelts

May I suggest a lovely ice cold bottle of fine Russian Vodka instead? That should just about calm the nerves.

Broad Shoulders

But it's not unrelated is it? Think about your hypothetical situation that you posed. An Iranian person looking to seek genuine asylum in another country. To be a genuine asylum seeker they should be trying to flee persecution by the state and its people. Why would an Iranian person be looking to flee Iran?
Possibly because they are of Kurdish heritage?

Therefore my point about passing the Turkish/Iranian by them is extremely dangerous for them.

The option of passing the border where you and your family could be shot on the spot, or chancing your arm on a leaky boat that has proven successful many times before for people.

I know which one I would take

ponyrama

Yes please. I'll have one of them to go with a dozen mogadon!

scottishcelts

Ooohhhh.......I'm in.

Broad Shoulders

What's your point? Hundreds of thousands of non-Kurdish Iranians holidaying in Turkey every year. Hardly the sort of people likely to be seeking asylum and leaving Iran, are they? Now if you are looking for something irrelevant then the above is exactly that to your hypothetical situation.

Maybe Iran was a bad example to use?

iamthecreaturefromuranus

The people on the boat that this entire thread was about were primarily Iranians. You have spent the bulk of this thread banging on about asylum seekers being valid. You have had it pointed out to you that they could simply have caught a bloody train to a safe haven in Turkey.... and then suddenly that's irrelevant.

Talk about dancing on the head of a pin.

Broad Shoulders

NOT IF THEY WERE KURDISH! What part of that don't you understand???????

iamthecreaturefromuranus

So 1.8 MILLION Iranians enter and leave Turkey annually and not a one of them is Kurdish??

FFS you've lost it. You have no idea of what you're talking about and are just lashing out with bizarre claims to try and support an unsupportable position.

Do you even know that Turkey won't grant ANY Iranian asylum within Turkey itself but has a system of passing claimants on to third party countries... you know, places like Australia?

How many Kurds live in Turkey? Millions?

Broad Shoulders

Yes, exactly my point. For everyday Iranians to pass into Turkey is easy. For Kurdish Iranians, they are viewed as terrorists by Turkish border authorities so even if they get past them, they are then at the mercy of the hostile people of that region

I've lost it? Yet I'm the one pointing out the political and historical tensions that plague that area, yet all you can do is quote tourism figures? Don't make me laugh any harder, please!

I think you are now lost in your own argument. Are you now saying that even if an Iranian person attempted to cross the border into Turkey to seek asylum, they would be sent back immediately? Therefore your suggestion that they should just "safely" cross the border into Turkey if they are being persecuted is simply NOT an option and maybe gives some justification as to why they would come here amongst other places.

sonlymewalter

guys the original question that started this thread was about paying out for relativs to attend the assylum seekers funerals. We've now exhausted this so before it gets to a slinging match im closing it

everyone has said their bit and its now getting testosteronish.

closing it before anyone gets killed