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seang Aug 20th 2009 2:28 pm

Re: Lockerbie Bomber may be released
 
Article by the late great Paul Foot on the subject
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2004/ma...ockerbie.libya

kporte Aug 20th 2009 2:36 pm

Re: Lockerbie Bomber may be released
 

Originally Posted by scottishcelts (Post 7862492)
I hear what you are saying K, but, is it right for a prisoner to be released on compassionate grounds if he has massacred so many people? - i'm not specifically relating to Megrani btw.

I would say no. Hindley was refused for example. But that is the point. You have to ask yourself why he has been released and why he dropped his appeal. Simple. He would have won his appeal.

kporte Aug 20th 2009 2:42 pm

Re: Lockerbie Bomber may be released
 

Originally Posted by slipshot (Post 7862497)
kporte

you seem very sure he did not do it and although there are people who believe he did not, there are probably many more who believe he did - and only a few who know as close to the truth as they can get.

The fact he has been welcomed back to Libya today with open arms, with singing of songs and the waving of Scottish flags shows their complete lack of care and disrespect to the Scottish people. There is the fact that he undoubtedly had very strong ties to the company that made that specific detonator that caused the bomb, and many other bits of evidence seem to indicate he was either a very very unlucky person or he's not as innocent as is made out. He may not have planted the bomb, but he was pretty certain to be involved...

I'm also of the belief there was more than one person involved at all levels.

Bottom line is he was found guilty and in my book deserves to die in prison - this whole compassionate grounds and your comment about us not being animals is, I believe, nonsense.

Ignoring this situation, no-one who is convicted of life imprisonment should be allowed out on compassionate grounds. The have none and have never exercised any so why should we give it to them? Anyone who has been tried and found guilty should not be allowed out compassionate grounds in my book. Their guilt or not is a totally separate matter...

I'm certain he didn't do it. Swire is certain he didn't do it. His wingman was aquitted in spite of them being tried on the basis they worked together. Whether or not he was involved at some level is irrelevant to this. He was tried and convicted on flimsy evidence. My belief he should have been released on compassionate grounds is based around the likely hood he was a patsy.
Oh and read this from the man who masterminded the trial

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...y-verdict.html

scottishcelts Aug 20th 2009 3:17 pm

Re: Lockerbie Bomber may be released
 

Originally Posted by kporte (Post 7862559)
I would say no. Hindley was refused for example. But that is the point. You have to ask yourself why he has been released and why he dropped his appeal. Simple. He would have won his appeal.

Yes, agreed. :)

kporte Aug 20th 2009 3:25 pm

Re: Lockerbie Bomber may be released
 

Originally Posted by scottishcelts (Post 7862619)
Yes, agreed. :)

I am quite ambivelant about Meghari. I am certain in my mind that he is not guilty of what he was convicted of, but that he was involved in some way possibly. For me, him getting out or staying in is neither here nor there. I am sad however that the actual bombers have got off scot-free.
There is no justice for anyone connected to the whole affair and I believe we have been conned by political moves which we know nothing about.
The whole thing stinks and the fact Meghari got out is not the smelliest bit

slipshot Aug 20th 2009 3:26 pm

Re: Lockerbie Bomber may be released
 

Originally Posted by kporte (Post 7862568)

Learn something new every day. Thanks, and it opened my eyes a bit more, but again, it's so hard without being involved to truly know what happened or what could be the case.

But thanks. Very interesting...

kporte Aug 20th 2009 3:28 pm

Re: Lockerbie Bomber may be released
 

Originally Posted by slipshot (Post 7862637)
Learn something new every day. Thanks, and it opened my eyes a bit more, but again, it's so hard without being involved to truly know what happened or what could be the case.

But thanks. Very interesting...

It is such an emotive issue it is very hard to be objective or question

slipshot Aug 20th 2009 4:33 pm

Re: Lockerbie Bomber may be released
 

Originally Posted by kporte (Post 7862646)
It is such an emotive issue it is very hard to be objective or question

You;re right - it is, but even without emotion, very few of us really know what happened and the in's and outs of it. There are always people who push one side of a story and those that push the other, and while I have little faith in the justice system in the UK, I'm also conscious it is the only one we have...

dodge26 Aug 20th 2009 6:27 pm

Re: Lockerbie Bomber may be released
 
He was guilty on some part, so I don't see any reason for letting him go. Unfortunately we will never know the truth.

moneypenny20 Aug 20th 2009 8:07 pm

Re: Lockerbie Bomber may be released
 
I honestly don't think he had anything to do with. Not sure it was even a Libyan and he wasn't tried and convicted by any reasonable system. I lost a friend on that flight and I had actually booked his flight for him. I would love for someone to be found guilty and put away forever, but I'd prefer it to be the actual culprit, not some random bod handed over by Gaddafi just to shut the British and American government up.

robclaridge Aug 20th 2009 9:19 pm

Re: Lockerbie Bomber may be released
 

Originally Posted by kporte (Post 7859983)
Like the Birmingham 6 and the Guilford 4 you mean?

If memory serves me correctly they were released because of the convictions being unsafe? Which is a bit different to being found innocent or not guilty... Just that the evidence was in doubt.... It was interesting that the police were pursuing no new/further enquires. Police speak I'm told for we had the buggers, but for smart lawyers they got away.....People need to read the articles, not the headlines.

kporte Aug 20th 2009 10:00 pm

Re: Lockerbie Bomber may be released
 

Originally Posted by robclaridge (Post 7863325)
If memory serves me correctly they were released because of the convictions being unsafe? Which is a bit different to being found innocent or not guilty... Just that the evidence was in doubt.... It was interesting that the police were pursuing no new/further enquires. Police speak I'm told for we had the buggers, but for smart lawyers they got away.....People need to read the articles, not the headlines.

An unsafe conviction is an unsafe conviction.The crown must prove it's case. They were beaten to confess and the police were found to have fabricated evidence. They were awarded massive compo. Safe to say they should have never been convicted in the first place

jasonlec Aug 20th 2009 10:05 pm

Re: Scots Justice
 

Originally Posted by MacScot (Post 7859359)
Scots justice: compassionate release of terminally ill long-term prisoners (e.g., Al Magrahi)

English justice: compassionate release of terminally ill long-term prisoners (e.g., Ronnie Biggs).

American justice - no compassionate release of long-term prisoners - let them rot and die in jail = vengeance !


Biggs, how many dead, how many years served.

magrahi, how many dead, how many years served.

Both found GUILTY of a crime and sentenced.

kporte Aug 20th 2009 10:07 pm

Re: Scots Justice
 

Originally Posted by jasonlec (Post 7863400)
Biggs, how many dead, how many years served.

magrahi, how many dead, how many years served.

Both found GUILTY of a crime and sentenced.

And Megrahi has been released. Lawfully.

moneypenny20 Aug 20th 2009 10:17 pm

Re: Scots Justice
 
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