Scotland and Independance
#91
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Re: Scotland and Independance
You surely still don't believe that rubbish? Even the Westminster parliamentarians have admitted that Scotland contributes more to the Exchequer than it receives back.
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Ah okay, although on paper Scotland might not qualify for membership, we all know (don't we? ) that the EU's hunger to relentlessly grow will mean that Scotland will quickly be absorbed into the collective.
#95
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The powers the uk govt currently hold will move to Scotland, the current eu powers already cover Scotland ?
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I don't think it works like that because Scotland would be pulling out from the UK which is the entity that has made the agreements with the EU. They would effectively be pulling out of both at the same time.
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Does anyone believe this result would be anything but "no" anyway?
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If "No" wins the day, it will be because of the Scots' wisdom and not because of the "Better Together" campaign.
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A 'yes' win will be because of "Braveheart" and the profoundly screwed up view that gave scots of history and their position in the scheme of things. It's the reason the SNP grew again, and the reason rational discussion and logical decision making had been put aside for the emotional resonance of la-la land.
#101
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YEEEHAAAAH !
It's Happening. It's happening now. The Nation has awakened from it's slumber!!!
Yougov/Times poll 7/09/2014
51% to vote YES.
The Westminster bubble has just realised that the Scots are not voting with their hearts but with their heads.
No more Weapons Of Mass Destruction on the Clyde, no more austerity, no more Barnett Formula, more investment in Green Technologies, no more Bedroom Tax, more investment in FREE education, MORE immigration,no privatisation of NHS etc etc.
The icing on the cake......1,3 Trillion barrels of oil from the NEW fields on the west coast and Shetland( Google UK Oil and Gas reports).
Scotland doesn't need the oil to be successful......but it's a nice bonus.
From 23rd March 2016 the Scots will always have the Government they voted for.
It may be SNP.It may be Labour. It may be Conservative(with a new name !!!).
It will reflect the sovereign will of the Scottish people.
My friend
You are obviously unaware of the effect that you and your ilk have had on the outcome of the referendum.
For the past two years , my countrymen have read ignorant, uneducated, ill-informed, vitriolic comments on the Telegraph, The Daily Mail,The Guardian, The Independent etc etc.
There are 37 Newspapers sold in Scotland. Only one(The Sunday Herald) supports Independence. The rest are Unionist. The Broadcast media( ITV,BBC,SKY) dance to a Londoncentric agenda.
As a result, the Yes campaign has ignored the Mainstream Media.
450 ish organisations are registered with YES.(e.g. englishscotsforyes.org, polish-scots for yes(TAK),italian-scots for yes, NHS for yes, asians for yes etc etc.. ) google them.
They have been campaigning in every village,town and city in Scotland. They have given links and direction to un -biased information online. This has allowed the Scottish public to receive information free of spin, direct from its source......not the media version.
This accounts for the disconnect of Westminster from the reality in Scotland.
I think the London bubble is genuinely surprised by the recent polls.
They have realised, too late, that the Scots are going to vote for Independence.
It's Happening. It's happening now. The Nation has awakened from it's slumber!!!
Yougov/Times poll 7/09/2014
51% to vote YES.
The Westminster bubble has just realised that the Scots are not voting with their hearts but with their heads.
No more Weapons Of Mass Destruction on the Clyde, no more austerity, no more Barnett Formula, more investment in Green Technologies, no more Bedroom Tax, more investment in FREE education, MORE immigration,no privatisation of NHS etc etc.
The icing on the cake......1,3 Trillion barrels of oil from the NEW fields on the west coast and Shetland( Google UK Oil and Gas reports).
Scotland doesn't need the oil to be successful......but it's a nice bonus.
From 23rd March 2016 the Scots will always have the Government they voted for.
It may be SNP.It may be Labour. It may be Conservative(with a new name !!!).
It will reflect the sovereign will of the Scottish people.
Unfortunately I think the result might well be 'yes' - mainly because that's the result that both sides want.
A 'yes' win will be because of "Braveheart" and the profoundly screwed up view that gave scots of history and their position in the scheme of things. It's the reason the SNP grew again, and the reason rational discussion and logical decision making had been put aside for the emotional resonance of la-la land.
A 'yes' win will be because of "Braveheart" and the profoundly screwed up view that gave scots of history and their position in the scheme of things. It's the reason the SNP grew again, and the reason rational discussion and logical decision making had been put aside for the emotional resonance of la-la land.
You are obviously unaware of the effect that you and your ilk have had on the outcome of the referendum.
For the past two years , my countrymen have read ignorant, uneducated, ill-informed, vitriolic comments on the Telegraph, The Daily Mail,The Guardian, The Independent etc etc.
There are 37 Newspapers sold in Scotland. Only one(The Sunday Herald) supports Independence. The rest are Unionist. The Broadcast media( ITV,BBC,SKY) dance to a Londoncentric agenda.
As a result, the Yes campaign has ignored the Mainstream Media.
450 ish organisations are registered with YES.(e.g. englishscotsforyes.org, polish-scots for yes(TAK),italian-scots for yes, NHS for yes, asians for yes etc etc.. ) google them.
They have been campaigning in every village,town and city in Scotland. They have given links and direction to un -biased information online. This has allowed the Scottish public to receive information free of spin, direct from its source......not the media version.
This accounts for the disconnect of Westminster from the reality in Scotland.
I think the London bubble is genuinely surprised by the recent polls.
They have realised, too late, that the Scots are going to vote for Independence.
Last edited by BEVS; Sep 7th 2014 at 9:25 pm.
#102
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Now if it were the English who got to vote for Scottish independence, I am sure that it would be a close run thing.
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My first reaction was to say "utter pish".
When I read you comment, I was torn between asking just how many 16-18 year olds you thought lived in Scotland and what planet you lived on.
Without being in Scotland , you have absolutely no idea of the the way in which the population have engaged with the arguments for and against independence.
There are public meetings in every village,town and city.....every night.
The information is being passed on social media...links to reports,investigations,and research on every topic available.
As a result the population is deciding how to vote, based on truth as opposed to London-based media spin.
It is no coincidence that newspaper sales in Scotland have fallen by 10% in the last year.
Please search online and inform yourself. (eg englishscotsforyes.org, polish-scots for yes,italian-scots for yes,NHS for yes,women for independence....there are 450 different groups registered ....too many to list.
SundayTimes/Yougov 9th Sept 2014 51% to vote YES
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Re: Scotland and Independance
Unfortunately I think the result might well be 'yes' - mainly because that's the result that both sides want.
A 'yes' win will be because of "Braveheart" and the profoundly screwed up view that gave scots of history and their position in the scheme of things. It's the reason the SNP grew again, and the reason rational discussion and logical decision making had been put aside for the emotional resonance of la-la land.
A 'yes' win will be because of "Braveheart" and the profoundly screwed up view that gave scots of history and their position in the scheme of things. It's the reason the SNP grew again, and the reason rational discussion and logical decision making had been put aside for the emotional resonance of la-la land.
#105
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My goodness you are illinformed.
My first reaction was to say "utter pish".
When I read you comment, I was torn between asking just how many 16-18 year olds you thought lived in Scotland and what planet you lived on.
Without being in Scotland , you have absolutely no idea of the the way in which the population have engaged with the arguments for and against independence.
There are public meetings in every village,town and city.....every night.
The information is being passed on social media...links to reports,investigations,and research on every topic available.
As a result the population is deciding how to vote, based on truth as opposed to London-based media spin.
It is no coincidence that newspaper sales in Scotland have fallen by 10% in the last year.
Please search online and inform yourself. (eg englishscotsforyes.org, polish-scots for yes,italian-scots for yes,NHS for yes,women for independence....there are 450 different groups registered ....too many to list.
SundayTimes/Yougov 9th Sept 2014 51% to vote YES
My first reaction was to say "utter pish".
When I read you comment, I was torn between asking just how many 16-18 year olds you thought lived in Scotland and what planet you lived on.
Without being in Scotland , you have absolutely no idea of the the way in which the population have engaged with the arguments for and against independence.
There are public meetings in every village,town and city.....every night.
The information is being passed on social media...links to reports,investigations,and research on every topic available.
As a result the population is deciding how to vote, based on truth as opposed to London-based media spin.
It is no coincidence that newspaper sales in Scotland have fallen by 10% in the last year.
Please search online and inform yourself. (eg englishscotsforyes.org, polish-scots for yes,italian-scots for yes,NHS for yes,women for independence....there are 450 different groups registered ....too many to list.
SundayTimes/Yougov 9th Sept 2014 51% to vote YES