eddie007

I know plenty of quilters who havent touched anything stronger than a small glass of harveys bristol cream on a sunday before lunch... Or at most a glass of Blue Nun with their lunch.... We're not all ex druggies you know!

sonlymewalter

Ooooo you lot really know how to push the boat out. I'd have to watch you in Bali

sonlymewalter

Why? Do they lock kids up for smoking a spliff there too

MiekeNL

I do hope you are joking

Kooky.

I decided not to comment on this thread as, never having kids, it's easy for me to be the perfect parent

I'm quite shocked, puzzled, by some of your attitudes, though. I've been fourteen; hell I was clubbing at 14, with a well-developed Bacardi habit. I've never been into drugs though - I've tried them, I don't like them, I don't like how they make me feel, but I have no problems with other people doing them. I was part of the club scene for years and I've, ahem, associated with dealers so I'm not sure eddie can categorise me as "mainstream"

None of us knows what really happened in Kuta, and the newspapers are all putting their own special slant on things.

However I refuse to accept that a 14 year-old is too young to understand the risks of taking drugs in Asia, or anywhere. His parents should certainly understand them, there's been enough press about all the Aussies stuck in Kerobokan, and dealers are all over Kuta so IMHO they should have discussed this with him. (I'm also quite intrigued these "children" were going for massages. How many young teenage boys do that for fun? Unless they're expecting a happy ending.)

All this talk of Bali being barbaric, a third-world country - but one we're happy to go to on holiday.

Indonesia has a different culture, different rules. You might not like them, you might not agree with them, but if you go there you should know them and you should obey them. I don't agree with all the laws in Singapore, I don't condone the death penalty, but I went there knowing how it was, and that in their country I would behave how they expected me to or I would leave. I have acquaintances that have fallen foul of drug laws in Singapore and all I can say is, they're ****ing stupid.

Should he be in an adult prison? No, ideally not, but I think I read that Bali doesn't have a separate system for juveniles. You just can't think of this from your own perspective - it's NOT a western country.

I hope he's sent home soon. He's costing us all a fortune and the country yet more embarrassment at how stupid and arrogant some of its citizens can be in a foreign country where their own rules mean jack shit.

Funny that I see it like this and yet I'm the tree-hugging PC hippy of the forum, eh?

soapy©

Just read the first page on this thread and im shocked at debs68 stance on this lad
Yeears ago i used to drive a bus for aop's
One day as we drove up to their house there was two little kids walking along a wall
They were about 4 and 5 years old
One old dear turned to the other and said
They should break their f@ckin legs
With reeal anger too

I asked if they would shoot them should they dare to pull the head off a flower
Debs i can see you sittin on that bus one day

My parents had 10 kids and we all turned out fine
My mother used to cringe when hearing tales wwe got upto as kids and young adults
She was so sure wwe told her everything

I now cringe when my lot tell me what they got upto
And i was so sure that they were eeally honest with me
My daughter ask me for advice that most fathers wouldnt wanna hear never mind answer
So i was so sure i knew them inside out
Kids will never tell you everything!
And thats not just my lot
Thats teens all over

DibDob

exactly my point!

Kooky.

I once had a boyfriend whose father was a headmaster at an inner-city school, who used to smugly go on about kids on drugs and how could their parents not know? Of course he would know.

He wasn't so smug when I told him one of his had moved on from pills to injecting and was at risk of killing himself (the other two did lots of pills, too).

soapy©

I rember a friends mother blaming me for her sons drug habit
I didnt have anything to do with drugs but it was easier for her to blame somene else rather than admit it was the fault of the person she brought up

soapy©

Oh and another thing
Most teens wont tell their parents what their pals are up to
Because they know as parents you will judge their pals

I grew up with friends who smoked weed around me
They were not bad people and still not
They just couldnt afford to buy booze and booze wasnt cool at the time anyway lol

I good friend of mine when he was about 16 went to a local pub to buy some hash
I walked him down
He had to wait outside because of his age untill the guy cAme out
I got bored and nipped across the road to a petrol station to buy a drink
When i wlked out he was surrounded by police
The dealer was still in the pub so my mate was lucky
Until one of the policemmen searching him pulled a lump of hash from my mates pocket!
He didnt have it on him when i left about a minute ago
So the police trapped him fact!
If i didnt go for a drink that could have been me
Should i have been there in the first place?
No!
When i look back it was silly of me, but i was just walking my mate down so he wasnt bored
The thought of anything like that happening never crossed my mind

eddie007

Somewhere in my ramblings I mentioned Gillard and her jar of coffee and paper clips.... All of australias resources to help this lad.. SAS, milatory deploymemt, trade embargoes, lists of countries for australians to NOT visit on holiday ...like afhghanistan etc..

Maybe people SHOULD boycot countries whose "systems" are so alien to ours and judicial systems are so corrupt or unintelligable...

eddie007

You were clubbing/drinking at 14...... Thats illegal, carries heavy penalties for alcohol vendors... Just As WRONG as buying/smoking a spliff AT 14 imho.... Who ever led you up that path should be recognised for the abuser of children that they are....And alochol is SO much more dangerous.... Look at alcohol related detahs in any country vs drug related deaths.... Beats me how people cant make that correlation

papilon

Australia doesn't seem to have a problem locking up foreign national kids together with adults. ie boat people.

Kooky.

You can boycott wherever you like, eddie; likewise I will go wherever I like and boycott others as I see fit (and I do).


Nobody led me up that path Why can't I be responsible for my own actions? I never felt the need to do anything to fit in; I've never even smoked a cigarette.

My family circumstances required me to grow up fast.

I don't have an addictive personality, for which I am very thankful - I've had neither drink nor drug problem. I have/had friends with one or the other, or both, I've watched people destroy themselves, people with drug problems top themselves, I've attended AA meetings, I've driven 80 miles in the middle of the night more than once to rescue my mother from the violence of my prescription-addict sister (who I've had taken away in an ambulance twice), so please don't think you're the only one that understands any of this.

papilon

Good, one less bogan to spoil my next Balinese holiday. This could turn out to be a positive for Bali if the increasing loutish behaviour in Bali by young Aussies decreases.