Saddam to be Hanged!
Nov 6th 2006, 6:30 am
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Re: Saddam to be hung
Originally Posted by Wife Beater
The verdict is in. He is to be hung by the neck until dead. I will not lose any sleep over it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6117910.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6117910.stm
Nov 6th 2006, 6:36 am
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Re: Saddam to be hung
Originally Posted by kingfisher241049
I am against the death penalty, but I guess it could'nt happen to a more deserving guy.
Nov 6th 2006, 6:40 am
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Re: Saddam to be hung
Originally Posted by Billy Banana
I think every morning they should take him out for hanging, place the rope round his neck, then at the last moment say "nah I think we will do it tomorrow" mind games is far better
Nov 6th 2006, 7:49 am
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Re: Saddam to be hung
Originally Posted by Elvira
Also worth mentioning that the French did not have the luxury of a channel separating them from German invaders.
Nov 6th 2006, 11:47 am
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Re: Saddam to be hung
Are you saying that the Americans were directly responsible for the verdict? Do you have proof?
Personally, I happen to believe that that the Iraqis are perfectly capable of conducting a criminal trial all by themselves, and that this is precisely what they've just done.[
"The biggest lie of all may be that this is an open and fair trial. It was a legal process sold by its US sponsors as the Nuremberg of Iraq, a reckoning for decades of murder and abuse by Saddam and his lieutenants in the Baath party.
At first, Iraqis presented it in slightly different terms: an opportunity to come to terms with their country's past in a huge judicial act of memory and reconciliation. But as the months have dragged into a long year, a different dynamic has emerged. Sectarian and insurgent violence has worsened in parallel with the stop-start of the legal process, the trial has become less important as a process that has the ability to investigate and judge and heal. Instead it has instead become an end in itself: a mechanism with no other point than to convict and execute Saddam in the hope that somehow it might staunch the violence."
The Yanks don't want to tackle these other guys for two main reasons: (a) because it would be a much harder job, and/or (b) because some of them still have tenuous links to the Bush Administration.
(c) Lack of oil, and they're shagging the Saudis!
The trial itself, three letters for you Vash.........................CIA
Personally, I happen to believe that that the Iraqis are perfectly capable of conducting a criminal trial all by themselves, and that this is precisely what they've just done.[
"The biggest lie of all may be that this is an open and fair trial. It was a legal process sold by its US sponsors as the Nuremberg of Iraq, a reckoning for decades of murder and abuse by Saddam and his lieutenants in the Baath party.
At first, Iraqis presented it in slightly different terms: an opportunity to come to terms with their country's past in a huge judicial act of memory and reconciliation. But as the months have dragged into a long year, a different dynamic has emerged. Sectarian and insurgent violence has worsened in parallel with the stop-start of the legal process, the trial has become less important as a process that has the ability to investigate and judge and heal. Instead it has instead become an end in itself: a mechanism with no other point than to convict and execute Saddam in the hope that somehow it might staunch the violence."
The Yanks don't want to tackle these other guys for two main reasons: (a) because it would be a much harder job, and/or (b) because some of them still have tenuous links to the Bush Administration.
(c) Lack of oil, and they're shagging the Saudis!
The trial itself, three letters for you Vash.........................CIA
Nov 6th 2006, 11:48 am
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Re: Saddam to be hung
Originally Posted by kporte
And the majority of the english language is french 
I know what you are trying to say but the majority of the British language is actually a mix of Latin and Anglo Saxon. Emotional and psychological elements are latinised while physical and constructive tend to be Anglo Saxon.
Nov 6th 2006, 11:51 am
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Re: Saddam to be hung
Originally Posted by rugbymatt
Flip was a Greek, one with a talent for insulting other races.
Nov 6th 2006, 12:20 pm
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Re: Saddam to be hung
Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede
"Just rolled over"? The French lost 562,000 lives in WWII; 212,000 military, 267,000 civilian and 83,000 in the Holocaust. That's about 110,000 more than the Brits.
You don't lose 212,000 soldiers by "rolling over"; you lose them by fighting.
The capitulation was opposed by many members of the French government (including the Prime Minister), who argued that the government should relocate to an allied country and continue fighting the Germans with the French Navy.
Surrender was finally (and reluctantly) agreed by the Cabinet after they realised that (a) a German victory was inevitable and (b) the only other nation willing to fight Germany at this time was Great Britain (whose troops had already fled from France after a token resistance against the German invaders). When the armistice was declared, the French Prime Minister resigned in protest.
This was not about preserving French heritage; it was about preserving French lives.
Following the liberation of France, members of the Vichy government were arrested, tried and sentenced as enemies of the state. Some were executed.
They did not let the Germans "steal their entire fleet". The French navy was never in German hands.
Its fate was mixed:
Consequently, the French Navy was of no use to the Nazis.
The Vichy government was not supported by a majority of the French population; its creation was little more than a strategic move by political opponents of De Gaulle, who saw their chance to seize control of the nation. You can't blame the French people for the stupidity and cowardice of their politicians. If that was a legitimate argument, I could equally claim that all Britons are lying bastards because Tony Blair relied on half-baked evidence from a "dodgy dossier" to fabricate a reason for invading Iraq.
Bottom line: the French were doomed from the start. Having successfully rendered the Maginot Line obsolete, the Germans swept into France with minimal losses and took control of the capital in record time. In response, a bunch of cowards in the French government chose to capitulate, while others chose to fight on.
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You don't lose 212,000 soldiers by "rolling over"; you lose them by fighting.
The capitulation was opposed by many members of the French government (including the Prime Minister), who argued that the government should relocate to an allied country and continue fighting the Germans with the French Navy.
Surrender was finally (and reluctantly) agreed by the Cabinet after they realised that (a) a German victory was inevitable and (b) the only other nation willing to fight Germany at this time was Great Britain (whose troops had already fled from France after a token resistance against the German invaders). When the armistice was declared, the French Prime Minister resigned in protest.
This was not about preserving French heritage; it was about preserving French lives.
Following the liberation of France, members of the Vichy government were arrested, tried and sentenced as enemies of the state. Some were executed.
They did not let the Germans "steal their entire fleet". The French navy was never in German hands.
Its fate was mixed:
- French ships in British ports were commandeered by the Royal Navy
- The French Naval squadron in Algeria did not see action, as it was destroyed by the British after refusing all terms of surrender
- The French Naval squadron in Alexandria did not see action, as its commander (General Godefroy) agreed to remove his forces from the theatre of war after negotiations with Admiral Cunningham of the RN
Consequently, the French Navy was of no use to the Nazis.
The Vichy government was not supported by a majority of the French population; its creation was little more than a strategic move by political opponents of De Gaulle, who saw their chance to seize control of the nation. You can't blame the French people for the stupidity and cowardice of their politicians. If that was a legitimate argument, I could equally claim that all Britons are lying bastards because Tony Blair relied on half-baked evidence from a "dodgy dossier" to fabricate a reason for invading Iraq.
Bottom line: the French were doomed from the start. Having successfully rendered the Maginot Line obsolete, the Germans swept into France with minimal losses and took control of the capital in record time. In response, a bunch of cowards in the French government chose to capitulate, while others chose to fight on.
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Actually the bottom line was that France, Britain and other countries were so unprepared and ill-equipped for war, even though the warning signs were there, that they were easily out-maneuvered and routed. How many times did Chamberlain and the weak British and French governments give in to Hitler's demands for more territory previously.
As for the Maginot Line being outdated, if the Belgians had allowed the French to extend the line further, the Werhmacht would not have been able to get in behind and attack from the vulnerable rear.
In your statistics on French casualties, how many refer to casualties suffered to Frenchmen fighting Frenchmen? In a way Britain declared war on France by destroying their Mediterranean Fleet when France was technically a non-combatant after the surrender. When the Allies invaded French North Africa, the Vichy troops there only put up a token resistance before throwing in the towel again.
As for French opportunists that seized power in Vichy, why in that statement did you forget to mention that De Gaulle was not an elected member of the French gov't, in fact not even a politician but an opportunist that seized the moment to further his own agenda? So how could they seize control of the gov't from De Gualle?
Apparently even Churchill and FDR didn't like the man. Their preference as French commander was a Vichy French officer.
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Nov 6th 2006, 6:21 pm
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Re: Saddam to be hung
Originally Posted by wavy_davy
"The biggest lie of all may be that this is an open and fair trial. It was a legal process sold by its US sponsors as the Nuremberg of Iraq, a reckoning for decades of murder and abuse by Saddam and his lieutenants in the Baath party.
At first, Iraqis presented it in slightly different terms: an opportunity to come to terms with their country's past in a huge judicial act of memory and reconciliation. But as the months have dragged into a long year, a different dynamic has emerged. Sectarian and insurgent violence has worsened in parallel with the stop-start of the legal process, the trial has become less important as a process that has the ability to investigate and judge and heal. Instead it has instead become an end in itself: a mechanism with no other point than to convict and execute Saddam in the hope that somehow it might staunch the violence."
At first, Iraqis presented it in slightly different terms: an opportunity to come to terms with their country's past in a huge judicial act of memory and reconciliation. But as the months have dragged into a long year, a different dynamic has emerged. Sectarian and insurgent violence has worsened in parallel with the stop-start of the legal process, the trial has become less important as a process that has the ability to investigate and judge and heal. Instead it has instead become an end in itself: a mechanism with no other point than to convict and execute Saddam in the hope that somehow it might staunch the violence."
(c) Lack of oil, and they're shagging the Saudis!
The trial itself, three letters for you Vash.........................CIA
Nov 6th 2006, 6:34 pm
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Re: Saddam to be hung
Originally Posted by The Bloke
Actually the bottom line was that France, Britain and other countries were so unprepared and ill-equipped for war, even though the warning signs were there, that they were easily out-maneuvered and routed. How many times did Chamberlain and the weak British and French governments give in to Hitler's demands for more territory previously.
As for the Maginot Line being outdated, if the Belgians had allowed the French to extend the line further, the Werhmacht would not have been able to get in behind and attack from the vulnerable rear.
In your statistics on French casualties, how many refer to casualties suffered to Frenchmen fighting Frenchmen? In a way Britain declared war on France by destroying their Mediterranean Fleet when France was technically a non-combatant after the surrender. When the Allies invaded French North Africa, the Vichy troops there only put up a token resistance before throwing in the towel again.
In any case, all of this disproves Swerv-o's allegation that the French were cowards.
As for French opportunists that seized power in Vichy, why in that statement did you forget to mention that De Gaulle was not an elected member of the French gov't, in fact not even a politician but an opportunist that seized the moment to further his own agenda? So how could they seize control of the gov't from De Gualle?
Yes, De Gaulle "seized the moment to further his own agenda"; that's a given. But his agenda was at least a worthy one.
Apparently even Churchill and FDR didn't like the man. Their preference as French commander was a Vichy French officer.
Nov 6th 2006, 7:11 pm
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Re: Saddam to be hung
Yupp, the french are a proud people.
Can you imagine a picture like this with the back drop being big ben........
Nov 6th 2006, 10:11 pm
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Re: Saddam to be hung
Originally Posted by soapy
i think its a bit harsh ! 
i think he should be made to read everything that bix posts, soon top himself .......2 weeks later...........i know im close to it
i think he should be made to read everything that bix posts, soon top himself
.......2 weeks later...........i know im close to it now if it was frazier?????????
Nov 6th 2006, 10:22 pm
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Re: Saddam to be hung
Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede
Where is this quote from, and what is the point of it?
Yes, that too.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.
Yes, that too.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.
Nov 6th 2006, 10:41 pm
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Re: Saddam to be hung
Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede
Indeed. So cowardice does not actually come into it at all.
I didn't say it was "outdated", I said it was rendered obsolete. And it was rendered obsolete by German tactics which involved a neat circumnavigation of the entire Line (something that no-one appears to have anticipated). I agree that if the French had succeeded in extending it, events would have been very different.
I don't know how many Vichy soldiers were killed by Allied troops, but it wasn't a lot. I do know that the French lost more than a thousand men in the destruction of the Mediterannean fleet. I don't know how many they lost in subsequent engagements with the Allies.
In any case, all of this disproves Swerv-o's allegation that the French were cowards.
I never claimed he was a member of the government, I never claimed that he was a politician, and I never claimed that the Vichy opportunists seized power from De Gaulle.
Yes, De Gaulle "seized the moment to further his own agenda"; that's a given. But his agenda was at least a worthy one.
It didn't stop them supprting him.
I didn't say it was "outdated", I said it was rendered obsolete. And it was rendered obsolete by German tactics which involved a neat circumnavigation of the entire Line (something that no-one appears to have anticipated). I agree that if the French had succeeded in extending it, events would have been very different.
I don't know how many Vichy soldiers were killed by Allied troops, but it wasn't a lot. I do know that the French lost more than a thousand men in the destruction of the Mediterannean fleet. I don't know how many they lost in subsequent engagements with the Allies.
In any case, all of this disproves Swerv-o's allegation that the French were cowards.
I never claimed he was a member of the government, I never claimed that he was a politician, and I never claimed that the Vichy opportunists seized power from De Gaulle.
Yes, De Gaulle "seized the moment to further his own agenda"; that's a given. But his agenda was at least a worthy one.
It didn't stop them supprting him.
The Germans did try to take the French fleet at Tuoson, but the commander there ordered the fleet scuttled. Unfortunately, because the fleet was so disparately spread across the Med, other commanders weren't quite as forthcoming, hence Churchill (reluctantly) ordered the destruction of the fleet. If I recall correctly, the French even declined an offer of safe passage to American waters so that they could re-group and fight as part of the Free French forces.
Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede
Amusingly ironic, coming from a Pom.
How's the British Empire these days?
How's the British Empire these days?
Nov 7th 2006, 4:21 am
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Re: Saddam to be hung
Originally Posted by Wife Beater
Yupp, the french are a proud people.
Can you imagine a picture like this with the back drop being big ben........
