Rolf Harris
Jul 2nd 2014, 11:12 am
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Re: Rolf Harris
Based on what has been reported the evidence left me sceptical. However, you have to accept that a Jury who deliberated for so long considered all of the evidence and came to the right conclusion. Whatever you feel about the evidence, it has to be said Rolf was leading a very sleazy life cheating on his wife with his daughter's friends so even if you believe some of the relationships were consensual it can't be denied that Rolf put himself in a very morally questionable position. He reaped what he sewed.
One thing that I will say though is that nailing these minor celebrities is merely a way for the authorities to make the public believe something genuine is being done to prevent those in positions of authority abusing their power. The real people who should face justice are those in government, the house of lords and the higher echelons of business. The people who Savile acquired abuse victims for. Minor celebrities are the public face of this, yet the true public enemies have not yet shown their face.
One thing that I will say though is that nailing these minor celebrities is merely a way for the authorities to make the public believe something genuine is being done to prevent those in positions of authority abusing their power. The real people who should face justice are those in government, the house of lords and the higher echelons of business. The people who Savile acquired abuse victims for. Minor celebrities are the public face of this, yet the true public enemies have not yet shown their face.
Jul 2nd 2014, 12:11 pm
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Re: Rolf Harris
I was mainly commenting on Saville because of the image posted. Don't get me wrong; all 3 guilty, get all they deserve, I'm not deflecting; I'm just saying for example that the BBC and the hospitals Saville volunteered to work at were complicit in not investigating complaints and rumours more thoroughly because of his star status.
It needs a Hillsborough type enquiry, I believe there are currently others from the same era with strong links to Savile, including some current MP's.
A certain ex PM has no end of links of paedofile connections.
Jul 2nd 2014, 9:46 pm
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Re: Rolf Harris
Another thing to consider, is it really fair to Judge someone in 2014 using current Morals and standards, something that happened in the 60's when back then things were so different ?
The 2014 judgement may be a long custodial sentence, however if he had been in court in 1971 for the same offence he might have got a good behaviour bond and a fine.
He definitely did the wrong thing, but I believe his sentence should be consistent with the era in which he committed each crime.
The 2014 judgement may be a long custodial sentence, however if he had been in court in 1971 for the same offence he might have got a good behaviour bond and a fine.
He definitely did the wrong thing, but I believe his sentence should be consistent with the era in which he committed each crime.
Jul 3rd 2014, 3:10 am
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Re: Rolf Harris
Another thing to consider, is it really fair to Judge someone in 2014 using current Morals and standards, something that happened in the 60's when back then things were so different ?
The 2014 judgement may be a long custodial sentence, however if he had been in court in 1971 for the same offence he might have got a good behaviour bond and a fine.
He definitely did the wrong thing, but I believe his sentence should be consistent with the era in which he committed each crime.
The 2014 judgement may be a long custodial sentence, however if he had been in court in 1971 for the same offence he might have got a good behaviour bond and a fine.
He definitely did the wrong thing, but I believe his sentence should be consistent with the era in which he committed each crime.
Jul 3rd 2014, 4:41 am
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Re: Rolf Harris
Another thing to consider, is it really fair to Judge someone in 2014 using current Morals and standards, something that happened in the 60's when back then things were so different ?
The 2014 judgement may be a long custodial sentence, however if he had been in court in 1971 for the same offence he might have got a good behaviour bond and a fine.
He definitely did the wrong thing, but I believe his sentence should be consistent with the era in which he committed each crime.
The 2014 judgement may be a long custodial sentence, however if he had been in court in 1971 for the same offence he might have got a good behaviour bond and a fine.
He definitely did the wrong thing, but I believe his sentence should be consistent with the era in which he committed each crime.
Jul 3rd 2014, 5:20 am
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Re: Rolf Harris
Another thing to consider, is it really fair to Judge someone in 2014 using current Morals and standards, something that happened in the 60's when back then things were so different ?
The 2014 judgement may be a long custodial sentence, however if he had been in court in 1971 for the same offence he might have got a good behaviour bond and a fine.
He definitely did the wrong thing, but I believe his sentence should be consistent with the era in which he committed each crime.
The 2014 judgement may be a long custodial sentence, however if he had been in court in 1971 for the same offence he might have got a good behaviour bond and a fine.
He definitely did the wrong thing, but I believe his sentence should be consistent with the era in which he committed each crime.
It looks like he was charged under the Sexual Offences Act 1956 s 14.
"the law was amended over the years and the maximum sentence changes depending on when the offence was committed. The relevant periods are:
1 January 1957 – 31 December 1960: 2 years
1 January 1961 – 15 September 1985: 2 years or 5 years if victim under 13 and age stated on indictment
16 September 1985 onwards: 10 years"
Rolf Harris Guilty of twelve counts of indecent assault | UK Criminal Law Blog
So looks like it would still have been a custodial sentence but shorter.
Jul 3rd 2014, 8:10 pm
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Yeah it was a Labour PM wasn't it? There will be a lot that gets covered up but it always comes out in the wash eventually.....
The victims deserve justice regardless of the era it happened.
There's no excuse for abuse, on any level.
Jul 3rd 2014, 8:20 pm
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Here's an interesting snippet, not directly related to Rolf's case, but one which shows how things have changed over the last few decades.
Under the Sexual Offences Act 1956 ( The act, which was in force until 2003 ) states that it is a felony to have unlawful sexual intercourse with a girl under the age of 13.
That would suggest that over age 13 consensual sex was considered OK. Strange, but apparently true.
Under the Sexual Offences Act 1956 ( The act, which was in force until 2003 ) states that it is a felony to have unlawful sexual intercourse with a girl under the age of 13.
That would suggest that over age 13 consensual sex was considered OK. Strange, but apparently true.
Jul 3rd 2014, 9:59 pm
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Oh right, maybe I was thinking about this carry on....
The Harriet Harman 'paedophilia' scandal is a disaster of Labour's own making – Telegraph Blogs
Which PM was it?
Jul 3rd 2014, 10:02 pm
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Oh right, maybe I was thinking about this carry on....
The Harriet Harman 'paedophilia' scandal is a disaster of Labour's own making – Telegraph Blogs
Which PM was it?
The Harriet Harman 'paedophilia' scandal is a disaster of Labour's own making – Telegraph Blogs
Which PM was it?
Tory peer Leon Brittan defends himself over 'paedophile cover-up' | Metro News
Jul 3rd 2014, 10:03 pm
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Jul 3rd 2014, 10:07 pm
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The bastards are everywhere aren't they!?
Grayling, I point blank refuse to type the 'P' word into my search engine. I'm afraid of what might come up!
Grayling, I point blank refuse to type the 'P' word into my search engine. I'm afraid of what might come up!